Sutton: Because that’s where the defaced money is.
Read More...The outspoken Sutton—who came up with the Dodgers in 1966 and pitched with them for 16 of his 23 seasons—has his own opinion about everything.
He said in an interview last week that he hates pitch counts.
“I say it with a laugh in my voice when I broadcast: ‘That’s 100 pitches. On the next one, he’s going to turn into a troll.’ At 101, you just disappear. Poof, you’re gone,” Sutton said.
...MLB.com: Did you cheat?
Sutton: No, I never got ...
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1. bjhanke posted on November 30, 2012 at 03:54 PM # hit 0 | hit 0Meh. I'm pro-Bonds and Clemens in the HOF, but this gets the other side's argument wrong I think. The vitriol against PEDs is because they help performance, and are outside the bounds of the rules or law or whatever standard the proponent of the argument is using. So to compare it to drinking alcohol, or being despicable, or arguably cocaine is silly, because those don't help your performance.
Now greenies, yea, that's a legit point.
Re Cobb: it's true, his behavior circumstances are more complex than some think. But the bad is definitely there and simply isn't easy to sweep under the rug, including four documented assaults on blacks and one on a handicapped person during the first few decades of the 20th century. If what I've read is correct, three of those incidents ended up in lawsuits against him, which he either lost or settled out of court. It's one thing to say "he was a product of his time" to explain his racist beliefs, but being a violent sociopath simply isn't excusable under any circumstances.
Whether that constitutes a Character Clause issue regarding the HoF is of course another question. Regardless, when Cobb was elected, there was no Character Clause in HoF voting. As I understand it, this dates from 1944, and by then Cobb, Tris Speaker, John McGraw, Babe Ruth, and Rogers Hornsby (folks I've often seen cited as some of the Hall's potentially most questionable members using this criteria) had been enshrined.
His ballot last year:
1 - Bagwell
2 - McGwire
3 - D. Murphy
4 - T. Raines
5 - L. Smith
Added after that dirtbag Gehrig snuck through the cracks, like the termite he was.
Greenies (amphetamines) and cocaine are BEYOND ANY QUESTION performance enhancing drugs. There is more evidence for either of them - good, clinical studies that support the idea that someone on these drugs has a heightened energy AND focus - than for all steroids combined. The main difference between greenies and coke is that cocaine only lasts for about 20 minutes, which is why Tim Raines kept a pouch of it in his uniform pocket. He had to snort every inning in the dugout. Greenies lasted 4 hours with similar effects. You could also get time-released dexedrine, which is the "diet pill" that the mother refers to in Hairspray. That lasted 8 hours, but wasn't as powerful, unless you took lots of them, which players in the 1960s did. LSD, in very small doses, is also a PED, although you have to keep the dosage low to avoid hallucinating. I believe every word that Dock Ellis said about his no-hitter. Acid had the same effect on me as a fighter. Oh, and greenies and dexedrine are good hangover cures, at least short-term, according to a few ballplayers I have read. That was apparently one of the most popular uses for them. I don't think that coke cures hangovers.
Magic mushrooms and mescaline (peyote cactus) aren't PEDs, even in low doses. They are like LSD, but without the extra energy and focus. Marijuana mellows you out. Unless your problem playing is that you're too hyperactive or ADD or something, it's a Performance UN-enhancing drug. So is alcohol, unless you're an alcohol addict and can't really function without a beer or three in you (see Paul Waner). - Brock Hanke
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