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Bill James is their godfather, and Bill James once wrote that Allen was so disruptive that he cost his team more games than anyone in the entire cockeyed world of baseball. Said Allen was the second-most controversial player in history, right behind Rogers Hornsby.
Bill James was a snot-nosed, 15-year-old in 1964...
He was right, and moreover, you can find a lot of people now who will tell you that his case should rest solely on his statistics and that it doesn't matter how much everyone hated him.
it has delved into the depths of the farcical and I for one am unable to take it seriously. Too bad actually, Allen has a compelling peak case in spite of all the controversy surrounding his career.
How in the name of Pythagoras did Bill James get to know Allen well enough to figure out an equation that made him so cancerous in the clubhouse that he cost his team so many games? Times tardy, plus times showing up with Heineken on his breath, multiplied by time spent with the grounds crew instead of schmoozing with the media, plus games spent dressing in an equipment room?
Bill James was a snot-nosed, 15-year-old in 1964. ... How in the name of Pythagoras did Bill James get to know Allen well enough to figure out an equation that made him so cancerous in the clubhouse that he cost his team so many games? Times tardy, plus times showing up with Heineken on his breath, multiplied by time spent with the grounds crew instead of schmoozing with the media, plus games spent dressing in an equipment room?
I have argued these [negative] things for many years, I believe, in an effort to promote understanding, in this way: That I knew that a time would come when people would look at Dick Allen’s playing record, and demand to know why he was not in the Hall of Fame. I was trying to say “There is a reason there, if you take the trouble to look. If you take the time and make the effort to go back and re-construct the full record of his career, you will see that his exclusion was not arbitrary or capricious, but was a natural consequence of Dick Allen’s own choices and his own actions.”
OK, that’s the argument that I have made for 30 years, and let us set aside the issue of whether it was true or whether it was false. The time has come, I think, to put the past away, and to elect Dick Allen to the Hall of Fame.
Look, 35 years ago I argued that “a time will come in the future when Dick Allen will be a strong candidate for the Hall of Fame.” At first people thought I was goofy for even suggesting such a thing, but I knew that, in the exact same way that bones endure long after the flesh rots, statistics endure long after the memories of a player have rotted into nothing. That time has come. Almost no one really remembers most of the dozens or hundreds of Dick Allen controversies over the years 1962 to 1980 (and now that I think about it, I am certain that it was in fact hundreds.)...
The question, then, is “How do we feel about the fact that all of these things have been forgotten?” And I have to say: I’m OK with it. Let’s forget them, let’s bury them, let’s move on. We’ve argued about them long enough. ...
The time has come to set aside Dick Allen’s failings or the allegations of them, recognize the excellence of his performance on the field, and put the man in the Hall of Fame.
Statements of the form "Jack Morris won more games in the 1980s than anyone else" are fascinating. Although they're true, they rest on cherry-picked years that may or may not illustrate a deeper truth in context. [...] For baseball, there are thousands of statements just like the ones here that you can make about any single cumulative stat over the game's history--10,296, to be exact. Printed out, all the statements you could make with the data here (which now includes individual franchise and league leaderboards) would take about 120,000 pages, single-spaced. This visualization lets you hone in on the patches of interest.
How the #### did you get that past the nanny?
Are we talking Albert Belle .....Worse. Substantially worse I'd say.
I've often maintained that you can't really establish that Allen's antics hurt his clubs, aside from the giving up on the White Sox, which hurt his individual record too, so it's its own penalty.
I swear I have baseball cards that had Minoso born in 1922. I see that he was born in 1925.
Problem of course is that his traditional stats DON'T scream HOFer. They're borderline at best.
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