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The only way Marion deserves to be elected to the Hall is if the committee determines that the 1940s are under-represented at the shortstop position – that three Hall of Fame shortstops who played the bulk of their careers in that era is not enough. But if that’s the case, then Vern Stephens and Cecil Travis are more compelling alternatives.
Is it even possible to be a +300 defender in that amount of time? I don't think SS gets that many chances.
All of those players were from later eras and played on artificial turf. With the equipment and fields of that era I'm not convinced +300 is possible.
Connie Mack, who goes WAY back and saw everyone in the American League (his quote says he never did see Honus Wagner play
It's weird but plausible. Mack managed in the NL through 1896 and then went to the Western League, while Wagner's NL career started in 1897. They never faced each other in the World Series. You'd have thought Mack saw Wagner in exhibition games at some point, though.
only four realistic candidates for the title of greatest SS glove ever: George Wright, Honus, Rabbit Maranville, and Ozzie Smith. The reason that I pick those four is that they are not contemporaries of each other, and played different game styles, so it's impossible, really, to compare them to each other
The AL seems to have been about a decade ahead of the NL in recruiting from the deep South, which may be why they were winning all the World Series' a decade later. Actually, although I've never put in the time to do this thoroughly, it does look like Ty Cobb was just about the very first really good player to come out of the deep South, which explains a part of why he had so much trouble getting along with his contemporary players. The NL's first really good deep South player may have been Rogers Hornsby, who had similar personality clash problems
so with marty i'd also like to see guys like mike shannon and joe rudi and john tudor and terry pendleton and willie mcgee and andy van slyke and reggie smith and ron swoboda get in. i could come up with some others too.
Okay, then you've gotta go with Moose Skowron, Hank Bauer, Gene Woodling, Elston Howard, Gil McDougald, Bob Turley and Cliff Mapes, who's the only non-HOF Yankee ever to have two of his uniform numbers retired. In fact Mapes was held in such high esteem that he was still wearing #3 the day after Babe Ruth's death, which IMO makes him not just a HoFer but deserving of a plaque right next to the Babe's.
Rk Player WAR/pos OPS+ PA Rfield From To Age G1 Jim Sundberg 37.3 90 6899 114 1974 1989 23-38 19622 Terry Turner 34.7 89 6655 102 1901 1919 20-38 16593 Scott Fletcher 29.8 85 5976 98 1981 1995 22-36 1612'4 Marty Marion 29.6 81 6143 130 1940 1953 22-35 1572'5 Billy Jurges 28.3 82 7013 113 1931 1947 23-39 18166 Ray Schalk 25.0 83 6228 46 1912 1929 19-36 17627 Greg Gagne 23.8 83 6209 83 1983 1997 21-35 17988 Mike Bordick 23.5 83 6484 68 1990 2003 24-37 17209 Rick Dempsey 23.1 87 5407 71 1969 1992 19-42 176610 Eddie Miller 21.8 80 5817 79 1936 1950 19-33 151011 Tony Pena 21.7 84 7073 46 1980 1997 23-40 1988
I have also noticed that there was a lot of league separation in the early 1900s, meaning that AL and NL teams did not trade very many players across leagues (after the raiding war between them was over by about 1903).
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