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Player Rfield PA OPS+ WAR/pos SB PosRoberto Clemente 204 10211 130 94.4 83 *9/H8745Wade Boggs 104 10740 131 91.0 24 *5DH/317Dwight Evans 65 10569 127 66.9 78 *9D3H/78Ernie Banks 54 10394 122 67.7 50 36/H57Zack Wheat 54 9996 129 59.9 205 *7/H89Charlie Gehringer 34 10244 124 80.8 181 *4H/35Rod Carew 16 10550 131 81.0 353 34H/D657Tony Perez 14 10861 122 54.1 49 *35H/D4Tony Gwynn 5 10232 132 68.9 319 *98H/7DTim Raines -7 10359 123 68.8 808 *7H8D/49
I can understand giving Rickey the MVP over Dewey in 1981, but Rollie for 78 IP? Dewey had 6.7 WAR in only 108 games!
I think Evans is very marginal, like Whitaker. Evans had two top 10 finishes in WAR for position players a 1st and a 5th, and four in oWAR 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th. Now it's nice that those are very high finishes but it's still not a lot of what I would consider Hall of Fame caliber play.
Without doing this you wind up with the idea that 20% of the best 20 players of all time (and 30% of the Top 10) played primarily in the American League in the 1910s (Cobb, Speaker, Collins, Johnson). That simply cannot be true and so there must be something fundamentally inaccurate about the measure that says that it is so (indeed 70% of the top 10 were retired or dead by 1936 which also can't possibly be true).
The problem with WAA is just the same problem with WAR: there's more to adjusting for context than just adjusting for league average and calling it a day. Why I like to look at the rankings by year is that it also adjusts for the relative ease or difficulty his contemporaries had at producing beyond the league average. As far as I'm concerned, an 8.5 WAR season that was 5th in the league is inferior to a 6.5 WAR season that led the league (as long as we don't have real good reasons to think otherwise).
A surprising number of Hall guys didn't do much of anything after age 30 - but it didn't matter. But get started at age 32 - too late, we already "know" you ain't that good, so who cares what you do late? Jeff Kent has a similar problem with his age-20s career on this ballot, in fact.
Compare him to Larry Walker, Reggie Jackson, and Dave Winfield
I'd rather compare Dewey to, say, Andre Dawson or Billy Williams - solid HOFers, but not open and shut cases.
Actually 1975-1980, but the answer is yes.
The Red Sox had 3 primary outfielders between 1975-1987, is the worst one in the HOF?
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