I've seen this argument made a number of times over the past few days and it is truly bizarre. Oh, he stayed out of trouble with the law for 12 years? You don't say. Why, that's quite an accomplishment. Do most people have trouble with that? Answer: no.

Ray Lewis, by nearly every account, became a good man. Maybe a great man. I don't know him, but I think that's what impresses people - not that he stayed out of trouble.

I sometimes forget that BTF is populated by a bunch of ####### pendants and rules lawyers.

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Like Wu-Tang, Ray Lewis is for the children.

I really don't think this is possible. By the look of how his knee was contorted, his ACL came apart again. I think you can survive one ACL reconstruction but I can't think of an athlete who came back from a second one who wasn't a shadow of his former self.

Something I read claimed that a player can come back at around 85-93% after one ACL repair, but that you're looking at something like 70% after a second one. So yes, this injury has serious implications, especially if he ends up needing reconstructive surgery again on that ACL.

Kudos to @152. Funny. Not quite RDF, but F.

That all said, you wonder what Russell Wilson is going to have to do to be the guy that people are talking about, and not be overshadowed by the other rookie quarterbacks. Maybe if he can be the last rookie starter whose team is alive in the playoffs....oh, wait.

Maybe if Russell Wilson went by a cheesy name, something like RW5, he would be as overhyped as Griffin is.

The rest of this "diagnosis" is no more accurate than its assessment of the Famous Non-Frozen Tundra of FedEx Field. Check Sunday's temperature.

Seriously? You're going to nitpick this?

You were the one making reference to a frozen field, which would be a very important factor in a back-of-head bump, so it's not a nitpick but rather a calling to question of a relevant statement. DC (Ronald Reagan airport) recorded a high of 52 last Sunday and a low of 35. The previous day's high was 46 with a bit of rain. They haven't fallen below 27 yet this winter. The field was NOT frozen.

Maybe if Russell Wilson went by a cheesy name, something like RW5, he would be as overhyped as Griffin is.

Griffin isn't over-hyped, just over-nicknamed and underprotected. Whether his style of play can survive for long in the NFL is the only real question about him.

You were the one making reference to a frozen field, which would be a very important factor in a back-of-head bump, so it's not a nitpick but rather a calling to question of a relevant statement. DC (Ronald Reagan airport) recorded a high of 52 last Sunday and a low of 35. The previous day's high was 46 with a bit of rain. They haven't fallen below 27 yet this winter. The field was NOT frozen.

Pete Carroll was bitterly complaining yesterday about the horrible quality of the FedEx field, and even though I tend to like Mud Bowls and unreadable jerseys, I find it hard to disagree with him. The "grass" between the hashmarks reminded me of Griffith Stadium, circa 1955. Apparently the home team gets to determine the acceptable level of playing conditions as long as they follow some sort of "procedure" in notifying the league about it.

Pete Carroll was bitterly complaining yesterday about the horrible quality of the FedEx field, and even though I tend to like Mud Bowls and unreadable jerseys, I find it hard to disagree with him. The "grass" between the hashmarks reminded me of Griffith Stadium, circa 1955. Apparently the home team gets to determine the acceptable level of playing conditions as long as they follow some sort of "procedure" in notifying the league about it.

I haven't yet found someone who agrees with me, but this is one of my favorite games of the last 20 years.

Griffin has a torn ACL and MCL. So, there ya go.

From what I heard, FedEx was like the New England bog that was featured in both the old Foxboro and early Gillette.

Griffin has a torn ACL and MCL. So, there ya go.

Source? As of right now, both ESPN and the WaPo are talking about "possible partial tears of ACL & LCL".

Source? As of right now, both ESPN and the WaPo are talking about "possible partial tears of ACL & LCL".

CNNSI quoting the Post, though it looks now like CNNSI didn't RTF as the Post article does, indeed, reference the ACL and LCL.

Ray Lewis, by nearly every account, became a good man. Maybe a great man.

Let's calm down a little. He had to be told that a throat-slitting element to the dance was in bad taste. A great man probably would have figured that out for himself.

Ray Lewis, by nearly every account, became a good man. Maybe a great man. I don't know him, but I think that's what impresses people - not that he stayed out of trouble.

I'll bite. What accomplishments since then have made him a good/great man?

Maybe if Russell Wilson went by a cheesy name, something like RW5, he would be as overhyped as Griffin is.

I saw a great sign today which replaced the G in RGIII with a wheelchair symbol.

I'll bite. What accomplishments since then have made him a good/great man?

Have you seen how many sacks he's recorded?

I'd, personally, have pulled RGIII as soon as he had the awkward recovery of the bad snap. But then, I'm also the guy who is starting to worry whether these college run-and-pass guys can actually succeed in the NFL. They all seem to get hurt, with GRIII and VICK at the top of the list. I think the Redskins are going to think themselves bamboozled at giving the Rams all those draft picks to a guy whose most Unusual weapon is something you essentially have to stop to keep him healthy. - Brock Hanke

I'll bite. What accomplishments since then have made him a good/great man?

I'm not his publicist, just noting the perception of him as a reformed person goes beyond the fact he hasn't gotten into trouble with the po-po again.

An argument about him being a good man might point out the following (some of which may be perception rather than fact; after all, I don't know him nor do I have any particular interest in building up his image):

-Active in charity works/community
-Great teammate and leader
-Family man
-Nice person who is particularly gracious with his fans by nearly all accounts
-Best motivational speaker this side of Tony Robbins (this may not make you a "good person" but inspiring other people to do their best even if you're an ass is still worth something)

Maybe not all of the above is true. I don't know. But these are some of the things people are looking at when they talk about his so-called redemption as a person.

Personally, I'm inclined to believe he's a good guy. Your mileage may vary.

Well the Rams themselves are already feeling bamboozled because the 2013 #1 they got from Washington for the Griffin pick was supposed to be a top-10 pick and is now nearer the back of the pack.

I think it couldn't be clearer that the college-style zone-read-option movement will die out in the NFL within the next 1-2 seasons as pro defenses catch up with their college counterparts in learning how to defend the scheme by forcing the ball inside. Lots of backers and ends are going to be watching a lot of tape over the offseason of Ware looking foolish in Week 17.

Pete Carroll was bitterly complaining yesterday

You don't say

PPE: -Family man

By volume, certainly.

Personally, I'm inclined to believe he's a good guy. Your mileage may vary.

I'm not saying he's been a bad guy since the Atlanta incident; I'm just saying that I've seen nothing to support the drooling over him since then as a great man. What you described above applies to the vast majority of people in this country.

PPE: -Family man

By volume, certainly.

Six children by four women. That qualifies him as a families man.

I think it couldn't be clearer that the college-style zone-read-option movement will die out in the NFL within the next 1-2 seasons as pro defenses catch up with their college counterparts in learning how to defend the scheme by forcing the ball inside.

So we'll see it die out in the NFL just like it died out in the college ranks?

I bet that you'll see more teams tinker with it over the next few years and there's certainly a reasonable chance it will become a permanent fixture in the NFL.

We probably aren't going to see a whole bunch of QBs with Griffin's combination of arm strength, accuracy, speed, athleticism, and ball-handling, because that package is so rare. But I think a lesser athlete can be successful in this scheme if he has the durability that I'm starting to suspect RG3 doesn't have.

If coaches use it as "seasoning" rather than the main course, it could stick as a change of pace. However, for any QB short of the original Superman, limiting the hits shouhd come first, both for QB's and team's best interests.

Rolls outs and such will always be part of playcalling but we won't see a lot of the college type calls like QB dives and such. Most of the QB's movement will be designed to buy time and create space for receivers and that is about it. If it happens that he can run off 10 yards or so without putting himself in too much danger so much the better but it won't be the primary reason to call the play.

But I think a lesser athlete can be successful in this scheme if he has the durability that I'm starting to suspect RG3 doesn't have.

Virtually no QB has that kind of durability while still also being much of a threat to pass the ball.

PPE: -Family man

By volume, certainly.

Six children by four women. That qualifies him as a families man.

Antonio Cromartie has trouble remembering his kids

At least he isnt Antonio Cromartie

Virtually no QB has that kind of durability while still also being much of a threat to pass the ball.

Virtually no QB has Peyton Manning or Tom Brady's skillset either. It only takes a handful.

Just because RG3 has proven to be fragile doesn't mean the scheme isn't workable. Avoiding injury and healing quickly are skills that vary widely from athlete to athlete.

So we'll see it die out in the NFL just like it died out in the college ranks?

I'm fairly certain that you know more about college football than I do. That being said, a lot of things work for good teams in NCAA that won't work for anyone in the NFL due to the disparity in level of competition. Tebow succeeded in NCAA despite his flaws as a passer because he played against a lot of LBs that he could simply run over when he needed to. Come to find out Adrian Peterson is the only human who can run over NFL LBs consistently.

Lots of teams 'tinkered with' what was called the Wildcat in the NFL for several years after the Dolphins' limited success with it garnered widespread attention. Didn't make it work any better.