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Mariners sending Jesus Montero to Triple-A

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posted 1 day ago by Repoz to mariners | 72 comment(s)

Amen amen there’s a lower power.

Bold move in Seattle, as the Mariners are optioning catcher Jesus Montero to Triple-A Tacoma, reports Ryan Divish of the Tacoma News-Tribune.

Montero, whom the M’s acquired from the Yankees as part of the Michael Pineda deal, was ranked by Baseball America as the sixth-best overall prospect coming into 2012. This season, however, Montero has authored a grim batting line of .208/.264/.327 in addition to playing spotty defense in his 225 1/3 innings behind the ...

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1. Xander posted on November 27, 2011 at 08:41 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Wow, that's an ugly offense with 2 starters who project to be above-average hitters. Ben Broussard's would listen if you called.

2. Dan Szymborski

posted on November 27, 2011 at 08:48 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Wow, that's an ugly offense with 2 starters who project to be above-average hitters. Ben Broussard's would listen if you called.

With that offense, Eddie Bressoud would listen if they called.

3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) posted on November 27, 2011 at 09:04 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

2 above average position players, 2 above average SP, and 2 above average RP. That's a recipe for yet another ~65-win season.

How much longer do they give Zduriencik? I think he's a pretty bright guy, but it's 3 years already, and he hasn't really added much talent.

I'm guessing he's ruing picking Smoak over Montero, big time. So far, Montero has accumulated more Rbat in 69 PA than Smoak has in 886.

4. Austin posted on November 27, 2011 at 09:16 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Oh, my god. That's just horrifying. Not even the pitching looks like much of a strength.

5. Danny posted on November 27, 2011 at 09:39 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

2 above average position players

Ackley and...?

6. bookbook posted on November 27, 2011 at 09:45 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Teach Smoak not to try and play through thumb injuries and it would look a bit better, but yeah, that doesn't look encouraging.

7. catomi01 posted on November 27, 2011 at 09:49 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

montero could still be had...but i think the yankees would want hernandez and pineda if they see the same projections and see how desperate the Mariners will be for runs.

8. Dan Szymborski

posted on November 27, 2011 at 09:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Obviously, Matt Tuiasosopo isn't a catcher - that was Chris Gimenez's rating put on the wrong line (with nothing given for Tuia).

The correct ratings for Tuiasosopo are AV/117 at 1B, FR/107 at 2B, FR/105 at 3B, PO/113 at SS, AV/104 at LF and RF.

9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) posted on November 27, 2011 at 09:56 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Ackley and...?

I'm figuring Ichiro has at least a dead cat bounce in him, but he could be toast.

10. you got a STEAGLES? you're gonna need a STEAGLES. posted on November 27, 2011 at 09:58 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

How much longer do they give Zduriencik? I think he's a pretty bright guy, but it's 3 years already, and he hasn't really added much talent.

in fairness, he locked up hernandez, developed pineida, and has stockpiled hultzen, paxton, and walker in the minors.

that's a lot of TOR potential.

11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) posted on November 27, 2011 at 10:10 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

in fairness, he locked up hernandez, developed pineida, and has stockpiled hultzen, paxton, and walker in the minors.

that's a lot of TOR potential.

And nobody who can hit a lick.

12. guyute posted on November 27, 2011 at 10:27 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Thanks for the projections Dan. No ZIPs for Hultzen or Paxton? Is it because they just got drafted and there is not much to base a projection off of? Seems likely that they will at least see the majors in 2012.

13. Dan Szymborski

posted on November 28, 2011 at 01:12 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

I'm holding off on Hultzen and Paxton until the spring. Paxton has a short professional resume and Hultzen none, so I'm hoping to have a better idea of who I *need* to project for 2012 in the spring.

14. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on November 28, 2011 at 01:20 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

in fairness, he locked up hernandez, developed pineida, and has stockpiled hultzen, paxton, and walker in the minors.

that's a lot of TOR potential.

I'm assuming you mean all these players are going to be traded to Toronto for three .230-hitting centerfielders and three platoon first basemen.

15. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) posted on November 28, 2011 at 01:35 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Hunch: Justin Smoak will turn out to be worth a damn in 2012. Not necessarily an All-Star, but a serviceable starter at the major league level.

Hunch: Dustin Ackley is going to be a star in the Jeter/Pedroia mold.

Hunch: Ichiro! is not done yet, and will bang out a 300 average and 200 hits.

Hunch: this time next year, the Felix Hernandez derby is in full swing after another disappointing Mariners season.

16. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past

posted on November 28, 2011 at 04:13 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

I am not a close follower of the Mariners minor leaguers, but I thought I could recognize the names of the top 15 or 20. I haven't even HEARD of Vincent Catricala, and he sounds like he is no third baseman.

Seattle is doing one thing right this winter - they aren't loking to make a big splash in free agancy. Fielder and Pujols together wouldn't put this team in the playoffs next year. Better to take a longer term approach, though Felix's clock is indeed ticking.

17. Xander posted on November 28, 2011 at 04:25 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Is his clock really ticking? There are middle-schoolers right now who will contribute to the Mariners when Felix is still a great pitcher.

18. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) posted on November 28, 2011 at 04:43 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

From MLBTradeRumors just now:

The Mariners have acquired catcher John Jaso from the Rays in exchange for right-handed pitcher Josh Lueke and a player to be named later or cash considerations, according to a team press release.

“[Jaso] gives us a left-handed hitting catcher with some big league time who is still young,” Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik said in the release. “His left-handed bat will be a nice compliment to our right-handed hitting group. He’s a tough kid with postseason experience and should be a nice fit with us.”

Not sure how his postseason experience will help the M's, but looking at the projections for catchers above, there's a decent chance Jaso's better than all of them (despite his bad year this year), or least not worse.

19. Xander posted on November 28, 2011 at 05:00 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Consensual rape is the new market inefficiency.

20. charityslave is thinking about baseball posted on November 28, 2011 at 05:42 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Well, I just told my 12 year old that he might be playing behind King Felix one day and he said "Aw, crap, dad. Not the Mariners."

21. Infinite Joost (Voxter)

posted on November 28, 2011 at 05:58 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Is his clock really ticking?

HIs free agency clock is ticking. If the M's don't show any indicator that they're going to compete ever, the only way they can keep Felix is to blow him away with money . . . which might prevent them from ever competing.

22. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) posted on November 28, 2011 at 06:04 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

I notice that the career extrapolations have Ichiro losing fifty or so hits and a point of OPS+ each year for the past few.

23. PreservedFish posted on November 28, 2011 at 06:39 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

2,726 hits. I wonder what the realistic threshold is for "don't retire until 3,000."

24. Dr. Vaux posted on November 28, 2011 at 06:46 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

The Mariners have plenty of money and seem quite marketing conscious. I think they'll do everything in their power to keep Felix Hernandez. And if they do trade him, I think they'll make it a point to not trade him to either the Yankees or Red Sox, again for marketing reasons.

25. CraigK posted on November 28, 2011 at 09:05 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

How far in advance do you run these, Dan?

Wondering specifically for the Mariners' case in particular.

26. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) posted on November 28, 2011 at 01:56 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

2,726 hits

...yet only 1263 runs. Only slow-asses Al Oliver and and Brooks Robinson have fewer runs with that many or more hits.

27. zachtoma posted on November 28, 2011 at 02:58 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Who the hell is Vincent Catricala? Is he really the second-best hitter the Mariners have?

On the other hand, apparently the Ackley move to second took about as well as could be hoped. They might end up looking pretty smart for that.

28. Shooty is in the Trust Tree

posted on November 28, 2011 at 03:03 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

...yet only 1263 runs. Only slow-asses Al Oliver and and Brooks Robinson have fewer runs with that many or more hits.

He has been the lead off man for some terrible, terrible offenses. He really should have decided to hit more HR's.

29. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) posted on November 28, 2011 at 03:08 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

30. Dock Ellis on Acid

posted on November 28, 2011 at 03:17 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

They'll be a lot better once they trade for Joey Votto, right?

31. Domino427 posted on November 28, 2011 at 03:41 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Any chance on a Rich Poythress projection?

32. John DiFool2 posted on November 28, 2011 at 04:05 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I'll just note that Dan has been predicting an Ichiro collapse for years, and only last season did he get one.

33. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) posted on November 28, 2011 at 04:39 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I know why he's not on there, but would you mind running one for Greg Halman? I know it's kind of ghoulish, but I can't help wondering...

34. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) posted on November 28, 2011 at 04:40 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I'll just note that Dan has been predicting an Ichiro collapse for years, and only last season did he get one.

So not only is he prescient, he's also ahead of the pack!

35. Don't want the truth; just wanna see some dingers posted on November 28, 2011 at 08:04 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Ichiro has to bounce back some-that projection looks awful low considering his track record. He still has his speed, right? The M's badly need a guy with some pop, even someone like Jack Cust would look good in this lineup.

36. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong posted on November 28, 2011 at 08:40 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Brandon League's top 2 comps are ghoulish too

37. Travolta19 posted on November 30, 2011 at 12:43 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Dan, can we get a Scott Patterson projection? He got one last year, and was once again very solid in the minors, despite being an old man. Thanks.

38. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) posted on November 30, 2011 at 01:22 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Smoak: 231/.326/.376, 95 OPS+, Age 25
Montero: .271 .333 .486, 112 OPS+, Age 22

If those numbers stay that way--and Montero sticks at catcher--that's a terrible mark on Zduriencik's resume.

39. Robert in Manhattan Beach posted on November 30, 2011 at 02:08 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Trayvon Robinson LF 0% 1% 2% 4% 94% Devon White Chin-Feng Chen Larry Whisenton

I admit I only read these for the comps as I have no idea who most of these players are. This one is my favorite. So, it's somewhere in the 'gold glove, championship level centerfielder' to 'barely got a cup of coffee in the majors' range. Since it's the Mariners, I'm going to lean towards Whisenton side of things.

Not taking a shot at Dan or anything, it just fun to see what the computer spits out when it has little to go on.

40. Liver of blaspheming 'zop posted on November 30, 2011 at 02:18 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

If those numbers stay that way--and Montero gains 100 lbs, refuses to play the field and does nothing but DH and PH for the rest of his career, a la Le Grand Orange --that's a terrible mark on Zduriencik's resume.

FTFY.

41. Mike Emeigh

posted on November 30, 2011 at 02:33 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

I haven't even HEARD of Vincent Catricala, and he sounds like he is no third baseman.

Catricala's bat is real. He didn't look too awful at third when I saw the Generals late in the season, but his error to DP ratio there in the minors, coupled with everything I've read, suggests that he probably is pretty bad. But I think he'll hit with enough power to carry a corner, although I'd really like to see what he can do in a less friendly environment for hitters.

Nick Franklin is going to be very good in a couple of years, too, ZiPS comps notwithstanding.

-- MWE

42. Travolta19 posted on November 30, 2011 at 05:50 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Nick Franklin is going to be very good in a couple of years, too, ZiPS comps notwithstanding.

What, no love for Biancalana? He posted a 476 OPS+ rookie year:)

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