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Mariners sending Jesus Montero to Triple-A

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posted 1 day ago by Repoz to mariners | 76 comment(s)

Amen amen there’s a lower power.

Bold move in Seattle, as the Mariners are optioning catcher Jesus Montero to Triple-A Tacoma, reports Ryan Divish of the Tacoma News-Tribune.

Montero, whom the M’s acquired from the Yankees as part of the Michael Pineda deal, was ranked by Baseball America as the sixth-best overall prospect coming into 2012. This season, however, Montero has authored a grim batting line of .208/.264/.327 in addition to playing spotty defense in his 225 1/3 innings behind the ...

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51. ShoeGrit posted on February 08, 2013 at 01:35 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Pitchers 26 or younger , most WAR last 3 seasons. Not so sure being so far out in front in IP is a good thing here. Makes the rate of WAR accumulation worse, and of course may mean he's been a bit overworked.

Rk            Player  WAR   Age   G  GS CG SHO  W  L    IP  BB  SO  ERA ERA+ HR HBP WP OPS+ GDP SB CS PO
1    Clayton Kershaw 17.9 22-24  98  98  8   5 48 24 665.1 198 689 2.56  148 44  15 16   66  40 30 29 28
2    Felix Hernandez 14.8 24-26 100 100 16   6 40 35 715.1 193 677 2.92  131 50  27 39   78  73 63 20  4
3        David Price 13.2 24-26  97  96  4   2 51 24 644.0 201 611 2.93  130 53  19 15   78  55 44 22  4
4       Gio Gonzalez 12.0 24-26  97  97  3   1 52 29 602.0 259 575 3.08  131 41  17 20   74  45 43  8  3
5      Johnny Cueto 11.5 24-26  88  88  6   2 40 21 558.2 152 412 2.93  140 42  31 11   82  44  5 17 14 

52. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance posted on February 08, 2013 at 01:36 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Folks like Fancy Pants Handle and Albert Belle need to come up with new material.

I consider this an opportunity for dialogue and education.

53. smileyy posted on February 08, 2013 at 03:02 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Not so sure being so far out in front in IP is a good thing here. Makes the rate of WAR accumulation worse

Does that phrasing strike anyone else as bizarre? Minimizing starting pitcher innings is the new market inefficiency.

54. ShoeGrit posted on February 08, 2013 at 04:17 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Maybe the phrasing was wrong....but WAR is in essence a counting stat, right ? The WAR per IP are all almost exactly the same, (not including Kershaw of course). And the ERA+ is the same between Gio, Price and Felix.

The point I'm trying to make here is the only difference between Price, Gio, and Felix is 1 or 2 WAR, which is essentially all in the extra 25 innings a year Felix has given the Mariners.

Is that worth the difference in salary ? When I say is it a good thing, I'm talking about looking forward, not measuring past value.

55. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance posted on February 08, 2013 at 05:32 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

BTW, while the comment I made about #6 was indeed a joke, the reason I made it was because, off the top of my head, that seemed pretty accurate. Scraping the age requirement from #51 leaves him 7th (0.1 WAR ahead of CC). Just because you are willing to give a younger guy a longer contract, doesn't mean the older guys aren't better.

56. Misirlou is bad, he's nationwide posted on February 08, 2013 at 08:52 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Folks like Fancy Pants Handle and Albert Belle need to come up with new material, MR.PRESIDENT!

57. bunyon posted on February 08, 2013 at 09:50 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Seattle Mariners ace Felix Hernandez has agreed to a seven-year, $175 million contract that should be finalized before spring training, making him the highest-paid pitcher in baseball history,

Authorities believe alcohol was involved.

58. Darren

posted on February 08, 2013 at 10:11 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

For $175M, they're going to be looking to get about 30 WAR out of that deal, which is about what he's got in the past 7 years. That doesn't seem really likely, but I'd bet they'd be pretty happy to get 25 because he's King Felix, Mariner icon and all that.

59. zonk posted on February 08, 2013 at 10:33 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Option Pay

60. andrewberg posted on February 08, 2013 at 12:50 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Is that worth the difference in salary ? When I say is it a good thing, I'm talking about looking forward, not measuring past value.

That depends on whether you think the durability is repeatable. It seems to me that Felix is no more likely than anyone else on that list to have a catastrophic, career-shattering injury. Short of that, I think his durability is a relative advantage (and you can easily point to his efficiency advantages over Gio and Cueto to explain those two).

61. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee posted on February 08, 2013 at 02:00 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

For $175M, they're going to be looking to get about 30 WAR out of that deal, which is about what he's got in the past 7 years. That doesn't seem really likely, but I'd bet they'd be pretty happy to get 25 because he's King Felix, Mariner icon and all that.

With Ichiro! gone, the Mariners need some kind of icon around to keep fans from slipping into a deep, deep depression and potential irrelevancy. The Mariners are in danger of slipping even further in the Seattle sports landscape. The Seahawks are finally good and could possibly be good for a few years, Seattle seems to be on the verge of re-acquiring a basketball team, and the Sounders are more popular than ever. The Mariners just continue to be boring and awful, and with Montero under PED suspicion and no offensive relief in sight, this year doesn't look very promising.

62. Starlin of the Slipstream (TRHN) posted on February 08, 2013 at 02:16 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Authorities believe alcohol was involved.

It's okay, her father's the district attorney!

63. Nasty Nate posted on February 10, 2013 at 04:31 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The deal is on hold.

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