The Rangers would have needed to go Profar+ just to match it, and I'm not sold that Upton is a good enough return for the single best prospect in the world

Well they don't need to match it because Upton rejected the deal, and he does not have to okay a trade to Texas. Mike Olt and Martin Perez are going to be ranked nearly as high as Walker and Franklin, and Elvis Andrus could be an attractive trade piece. Texas could pretty easily swing a deal without Profar IMO.

After the DBacks move JUp, i wonder what kind of shortstop Towers will get for Parra?

Mike Olt and Martin Perez are going to be ranked nearly as high as Walker and Franklin, and Elvis Andrus could be an attractive trade piece.

Really? I mean, I haven't seen these guys play - well, I saw Perez start a game, was decidedly unimpressed - so I'm going mostly by the numbers and scouting reports I've read. I would have bet against either of them making a top 25 prospects list. The difference between a top 10 and a top 50 prospect, in terms of expectation, is huge. I'd trade three Martin Perezes for a Taijuan Walker.

If the Diamondbacks are looking for Walker/Franklin, I don't see them settling for Olt/Perez. And as much value as Elvis Andrus has in the abstract, Arizona has little need for another good-glove shortstop.

If the Diamondbacks are looking for Walker/Franklin, I don't see them settling for Olt/Perez. And as much value as Elvis Andrus has in the abstract, Arizona has little need for another good-glove shortstop.

Well Walker/Franklin is off the table (unless Upton is negotiating for more salary or something), and AZ seems pretty determined to move him. Who else is going to offer a similar deal? Atlanta's offer seems inferior than Olt/Perez.

Well Walker/Franklin is off the table (unless Upton is negotiating for more salary or something), and AZ seems pretty determined to move him. Who else is going to offer a similar deal?

I don't know. There's a big difference between Walker/Franklin and Olt/Perez, and if I had a Justin Upton and only an Orioles shot at the postseason next year, I'd accept the former offer but not the latter.

If Arizona is dumb enough to think they absolutely need to move Upton, I don't know how they should best maximize their return. Maybe taking Olt/Perez now would be the best choice in this scenario, but I really have no idea. They might be better served to wait out the Braves or Rangers or Tigers or Rays or Philly or I don't know. If someone is willing to lay out Walker/Franklin, I'd tend toward waiting for better than Olt/Perez.

the source is saying that in two years, when Walker and Franklin are MLB stars and Seattle still hasn't made the playoffs, Jack Z would have no chance at keeping his job. It's a pretty normal way of using that phrase.

I suppose that must be it -- I can't think of another explanation -- but it seems to be very misapplied to Jack Z, who can't be expected to last two more years unless the major league team improves.

And as much value as Elvis Andrus has in the abstract, Arizona has little need for another good-glove shortstop.

Andrus is a 4+ WAR player right now (per FanGraphs and B-R), and he's only 23. I think the D'Backs would find room.

Why did the D-Backs go through the trouble of negotiating when (reportedly) Upton had told them of his unwillingness to go to Seattle beforehand?

In the Braves scenario, where does Justin Upton play? LF? Prado moves to 3B?

Yes. Prado is already moved, at least part time, to 3B. So he'd just stay there full time.

Personal no-trade, if I only have 4 teams:

Minnesota
Texas
Arizona
Houston


And anybody who thinks Seattle is "cold" has never been there.

Personal no-trade, if I only have 4 teams:

Minnesota
Texas
Arizona
Houston

That's a pretty good list, actually. I've been to all of them, and while I loved Minneapolis, I was there in September. The Skywalk, scratch that, the fact that they NEED a Skywalk around downtown to conduct business during the winter - scared me so much I won't apply for a tenured faculty gig in Minnesota. I can't fathom that level of cold.

Yes. Prado is already moved, at least part time, to 3B. So he'd just stay there full time.

Prado will either be the full time 3B (if they get Upton or another LF) or the 3B against LHP (when they start Reed in LF and Prado at 3B, rather than Prado in LF and Francisco at 3B.)

can someone explain why the dbax are so desperate to get rid of justin upton?

also why it appears to be impossible to hit in seattle these days?

there is no reason to waste a spot putting houston on the no trade list. houston isn't gonna trade for anyone who costs more than minimum wage - their idea of a high proced FA is carlos pena at 2.9 mill

And as much value as Elvis Andrus has in the abstract, Arizona has little need for another good-glove shortstop.

When did the DBacks get any good glove shortstop? They traded for a prospect from Cincinnati whose defense is unproven, though offset by the well established fact that he can't hit even minor league pitching. And I would have been fine rolling Pennington out, but he's no Andrus, who is signifcantly better defensively and more valuable overall.

And as much value as Elvis Andrus has in the abstract, Arizona has little need for another good-glove shortstop.

Well when you frame it like that...