Thursday, May 23, 2013
Mariners sending Jesus Montero to Triple-A
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Amen amen there’s a lower power.
Read More...Bold move in Seattle, as the Mariners are optioning catcher Jesus Montero to Triple-A Tacoma, reports Ryan Divish of the Tacoma News-Tribune.
Montero, whom the M’s acquired from the Yankees as part of the Michael Pineda deal, was ranked by Baseball America as the sixth-best overall prospect coming into 2012. This season, however, Montero has authored a grim batting line of .208/.264/.327 in addition to playing spotty defense in his 225 1/3 innings behind the ...
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< 1 2I wouldn't sign him to a long-term deal either, but using fWAR he's only had one season below 1.7 WAR (his disaster season with Chicago). Every other year besides his rookie season he's been at 3 WAR or higher. I think he's probably an average or slightly better defender in RF and at 1B (which UZR and TZ agree with), so coupling that with a wRC+ over 120 basically every year and I think rWAR is the one missing on him.
I agree with this. That's why I'd be OK with a high AAV shortish deal from the Yanks. Maybe 4/65?
This sounds like fun, and feasible.
Sign JFK and fdr to add spice tO presidents race.
Maybe give rick ankIel a coaching job
If Tyler Moore does well for the Twins, they'll build a statue of him in Minneapolis.
Colvin had more WAR than Detwiler this year, so by the Dave Cameron Rules, you are HONOR-BOUND to accept my trade proposal. (I should have left Nelson out of it, since his defense brings him to negative WAR.)
I forgot we were playing Dave Cameron rules. I'd have the Royals offer Greg Holland, Jarrod Dyson, Luis Mendoza, and Kelvin Herrera for David Price and the Rays would HAVE to take it because they are actually getting more WAR out of the deal.
Compared to Jose Lopez, he's Walter freakin Johnson!
It was about a lot more than John Danks.
1. It overvalued Jose Lopez to a great degree.
2. Even if the valuation of Lopez was correct, it overvalued average second baseman to a great degree.
3. It overvalued throw-ins (despite Vargas' career success). You can't just add players to a trade until you have equal value.
4. Cameron seemed to think that a 5-win player signed to the correct contract and a 3-win player signed to the correct contract are equal since neither has surplus value, which ignores things like limited roster space and the availability of top talent.
But that makes Jason Vargas into Bob Feller or something.
Similarly it seems that 1/$3 is about as little as you could expect to pay Hafner. (Unless he's in bad shape physically and everyone knows it, in which case 1/$3 isn't much of a bargain.)
It seems like you're trying to have it both ways by saying the performance since then of Lopez affects the plausibility of the trade proposal but the performance of Vargas doesn't.
With 20-20 retrospect, we can say that the White Sox probably should have traded Danks for a 2B after 2009 ... and that the 2B should not have been Jose Lopez.
I say the biggest pay cut is going to go to Jeremy Guthrie. $8.5M? Holy ####### bananas! And the biggest pay increase to Colby Lewis.
Colby Lewis has already signed an extension for less money.
And Jeremy Guthrie was great for the Royals down the stretch, meaning they will massively overpay for him. People on the radio were saying the Royals should offer as high as 3/$24 mill for him which is batshit insane.
No, what everyone was saying at the time was that Lopez wasn't all that valuable because he was an OBA black hole, and Vargas didn't project to be that good going forward either. It wasn't all that plausible a deal at the time, however, had it been executed in real life, it wouldn't have seemed quite as ridiculous in retrospect because of Vargas' performance exceeding expectations.
I feel like Lopez was picked on purpose, but Vargas was picked randomly (there's no discussion of him in the original article or the comments from USS Mariner) and just represented "5th starter." Dave could just as well have said Ryan Rowland-Smith.
Concur. Vargas was a throw in, not a piece that was considered to have real value.
Of course, given his FB tendencies as a LH, it's pretty likely that Vargas would NOT have exceeded expectations in Chicago. Vargas has a career 662 home OPS against, and a 809 on the road.
All I was saying is that if we are looking at the post-proposal performance of Lopez, we should also do that for the other players involved regardless of their status as a throw-in.
You don't need to look at Lopez's performance post-proposal, he wasn't any good at the time. At his (brief) peak, he was a league-averagish 2B.
MLB has shown it doesn't value those at all. League average (and better) 2B typical get 1/5-6 deals in FA. See Hudson, Orlando, who was a much, much better player than Lopez ever was.
Sure, and comparing a league-averageish 2B to John Danks doesn't make Danks look like Walter Johnson...
With hindsight? This would have been not just the worst trade in Reds history, nor the worst in baseball history, it would have lapped the field of "worst trades in sports history".
They have a mighty high bar to climb, considering they traded a 19 year old Christy Mathewson for the shell of Amos Rusie.
Granted this was more an attempt to scam Norfolk out of $5,000 (for whatever reason, the Reds had no interest in Mathewson. Goes down on the list of famous bad scouting calls) but the fact is they had Matty and traded him.
Oh and in the poetic justice department, Norfolk (represented by Monte Ward) sued the Giants and won the $5K. By the time the judgment came down the Giants were owned by the guy who owned the Reds at the time of the scam.
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