Source: Red Sox made a push for both Jose Reyes and Josh Johnson, but Jays just blew Marlins away.

What sort of garbage were the Red Sox offering?

Loria wasn't to blame for Montreal (the Montreal investors who gave up on their own team were) or recouping the 04-06 losses by holding down 07-10 payrolls, but Loria's a jerk for this

this is the worst sentence i've ever read a dozen times :(

I was just about to post the same thing! I think I've figured out what Howie is saying, but this could've used about 3 editors. :)

Just saw this deal, awesome news for Jays fans . Enjoy Reyes, he's a ####### sparkplug and a fun player to root for, glad he's back in a friendly uniform again. And congrats on losing Mathis.

Don't know much about the prospects in this deal-- anyone care to comment?

Are any of the players the Marlins got good? Is Escobar still as much of a head case as he was in Atlanta?

Nick Cafardo doesn't know what "blew" means.

Are any of the players the Marlins got good?

Two guys with questions about the hit tool (one of whom has never hit outside of Las Vegas), two pitchers who aren't going to miss a lot of bats. And Yunel, Mathis, and Alvarez, about whom we already have a clue.

-- MWE

Good God, you go out to eat and this happens. Do the Marlins ever keep anyone they sign in free agency?

After a quick scan of BB-ref's transactions, I can put together this list of well-known players who signed with the Marlins in free agency and played for two or more years without being traded.

Charlie Hough (because he retired)
Benito Santiago
Andre Dawson (because he retired)
Mark Gardner
John Cangelosi
Alex Fernandez (because of devastating injuries)
Damion Easley
Brian Moehler
Miguel Olivo
Greg Dobbs (so far)

When Beinfest picked up the phone he had Nirvana's "Rape Me" playing in the background.

I wish I hadn't been drinking something when I read this.

"That's a ######-A Trade there Beinfest!" - Tony Reagans...

@108

You are being rather generous with the "well-known player" definition I must say...

If the Nationals are unable to beat the Marlins now, then there's definitely a jinx. Of course, it doesn't appear the Fish will be able to beat anyone else.

I agree with [111]. The summary of post [108] is "no."

Although I hope it doesnt work out for them, good for the Jays.

Any team in this division could win 90 games if things break right, although I guess the 2012 Orioles prove that's true of pretty much every team every year.

On the bright side, this should put an end to publicly funded stadiums.

I'm pretty sure Loria should be in jail for fraud.

Anthopoulous for grand larceny, too.

Loria wasn't to blame for Montreal (the Montreal investors who gave up on their own team were) or recouping the 04-06 losses by holding down 07-10 payrolls, but Loria's a jerk for this

This doesn't give you even the slightest inkling that maybe you might be wrong to let him off the hook for those other bad acts? That maybe the connecting thread here is Loria?

If this trade gets Loria chased out of Miami for good, then the Marlins win the trade.

The Angel of Death strikes again. I assume he'll cash out soon and be given another franchise as a reward for a job well done. Who's next?

Doesn't this #### the Athletics chances of landing a new stadium? What city would ever trust a team ever again? Bud should act in the best interests of the game on that point alone.

Any team in this division could win 90 games if things break right

Allow me to introduce you to the 2013 Boston Red Sox. Who will be masquerading as a MLB team next season.

Cots is down...anyone remember how much is left on these deals? It's a cynical move in the context of the stadium, but is this a good deal for Toronto in light of the contracts and Buehrle and Reyes's ages?

Something like 168 if memory serves

Buehrle is owed 3/48 through age 36 and Reyes is owed 5/94 through age 34.

Depending on how the rest of this winter goes, these may end up looking like pretty good deals.

On the bright side, this should put an end to publicly funded stadiums.

Doesn't this #### the Athletics chances of landing a new stadium? What city would ever trust a team ever again?

I hope so but this won't change a thing. The politicians who will line up tax payer money will convince themselves this won't happen to them. They already believe all the myths of the impact of a new stadium.

If Nolasco goes, they'll be neck-and-neck with the Astros on payroll next year.

Don't know much about the prospects in this deal-- anyone care to comment?

Are any of the players the Marlins got good? Is Escobar still as much of a head case as he was in Atlanta?

The not-quite-prospects anymore:

I liked Adeiny Hechavarria. He promised to develop into a pretty good player and is one guy the Blue Jays might miss. He had kind of supplanted Kelly Johnson at second by the end of the year and some Jays fans were pushing for him to replace Escobar at short next spring (I thought that the Jays would be better with Escobar at short and Hechavarria at second because of Escobar's superior glove, which is probably how the Marlins will play them now).

Henderson Alvarez was rushed into duty this year due to the Jays' injuries and was over his head more often than not. He would have been fighting it out for the 4th or 5th starter spot next year. May turn into a good pitcher someday but probably not a huge loss for the Jays (or huge gain for the Marlins, depending on your perspective).

The actual prospects:

Justin Nicolino is a couple of years away from the majors. He spent the last year at single A and put up good numbers (1.07 Whip and 8.6 k/9). I sometimes saw him listed as a top five prospect for the Jays but he's not in their top two or three.

I'm not even sure I knew who the outfielder was before this. He's not consistently included in any "top ten prospect" lists.

The major leaguers:

I'm not in the Toronto media market anymore so I don't get to keep up with the team on a daily basis. However, Escobar seemed to have settled in as a solid contributor. He didn't have his best year with the bat but people weren't questioning his mental make-up as much as other players on the team (see: Colby Rasmus) and he wasn't making headlines with stupid statements (see: Omar Vizquel). At this point in his career, he's potentially a good veteran presence. Shortstop wasn't one of Toronto's big holes going into next year but if an upgrade at short is the price to pay for an improved pitching staff, I'm all for it.

Jeff Mathis, of course, is the classic addition by subtraction.

If Nolasco goes, Greg Dobbs will be their highest paid player.

How much does Loria make?

I'm not even sure I knew who the outfielder was before this. He's not consistently included in any "top ten prospect" lists.

Marisnick? He's the team's top hitting prospect.

Marisnick? He's the team's top hitting prospect.

Could be. Everything I saw had him listed well below their pitching prospects and infielders like D'Arnaud and Hechevarria- if they bothered to list him at all.

I'm not even sure I knew who the outfielder was before this. He's not consistently included in any "top ten prospect" lists.

Kevin Goldstein of B-Pro (and now of the Astros) ranked Marisnick #28 on his top-101 list last year. He hit well at high A this year and then struggled after being promoted to AA. I expect his stock has fallen a bit, but he's still a serious prospect. This year Baseball America ranked him #2 among Jays prospects (after D'Arnaud).

If Nolasco goes, Dobbs will be their only guaranteed contract.

he wasn't making headlines with stupid statements

Unless you count the ones written on his eye black. L'Affaire Maricon was plenty stupid and got plenty of headlines.

I'm not even sure I knew who the outfielder was before this. He's not consistently included in any "top ten prospect" lists.

He's the top prospect in the deal.

BA just rated Marisnick as the Jays #2 prospect, and that's as of last week.

Escobar seemed to have settled in as a solid contributor. He didn't have his best year with the bat but people weren't questioning his mental make-up as much as other players on the team (see: Colby Rasmus) and he wasn't making headlines with stupid statements (see: Omar Vizquel).

As a Jays fan, I can say that this comment is completely accurate. Unlike Vizquel, Escobar certainly did all his talking on the field. You could really see how he felt just by looking into his eyes. He isn't an iceman like some players, his personality was literally written on his face. While some thought that the language barrier would hurt his ability to reach out to the fans, Toronto is a multicultural city and was quick to learn what he was saying. In return, he gave back to the city by donating thousands of dollars of his salary to You Can Play and The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. Yes, it will be a long time before what Yunel Escobar did as a Jay is forgotten in Toronto.

Edit: Damnit, coke to zachtoma.

If Nolasco goes, Dobbs will be their only guaranteed contract.

Nah, Jacob Turner has one too. But that's it.

Source: Red Sox made a push for both Jose Reyes and Josh Johnson, but Jays just blew Marlins away.

My GF is not going to be happy about this, she would have loved Reyes on the Sox.

I had sort of blocked that stupidity out of my memory.

@RNolasco47

Huh?.......

Toronto first expressed interest in Reyes last offseason before he ultimately signed a six-year contract valued at $106 million with the Marlins. At the time, the major stumbling block was the Blue Jays' policy not to go beyond five years in any contract.

That's no longer a problem for Reyes, who has five years remaining at a total of $96 million.

OK, now the trade makes sense. Reyes was actually a rental from the Jays; Johnson and Buehrle the cost of the rental.

Stanton's reaction (tweet I suppose) has been '######'ed on each of the tickers I saw. Is he actually swearing? I knew he was not pleased.

Depends on whether you consider "pissed off" swearing.

You can get to someone's twitter feed without being a twitterer yourself. Here's Stanton

I'm kind of surprised at how blasé people are about the prospects in the deal. According to MLB.com:

Marisnick: #2
Nicolino: #5
Hechevarria: #7

Nicolino is grouped with Syndergaard and Aaron Sanchez. He does not throw as hard but he has better secondary stuff and he is lefthanded. In some ways he is similar to Mark Buehrle, but he throws a bit harder. Marisnick is a power/speed guy who struggled a bit last year while the Jays retooled his swing. His 2011 was very strong, and he's playing well in the AFL this year. Hechevarria was signed at the same time as Jose iglesias, but unlike Jose he is showing some actual hitting ability. Defensively, he is ready now. Great range, smooth actions, and a strong throwing arm.

The Jays picked up 3 guys who will help them now, but they are paying almost full freight for them. In the case of buehrle, they are overpaying for the backloaded last 3 years of his deal. And Reyes and Johnson both have a history of being fragile.

The marlins got salary relief, and also picked up 3 really decent prospects. What's not to like? Watch them develop the team in 2013, and come back strong in 2014. There is nothing wrong with rebuilding as long as you do it with conviction.

Also, I expect that Yunel Escobar will be traded to Arizona for prospects by the end of the week :)

This is the end of public funded stadiums, right? If so this is a glorious trade.

117: Can't rewrite history because a man is hated or a scapegoat is needed.

The marlins got salary relief, and also picked up 3 really decent prospects. What's not to like? Watch them develop the team in 2013, and come back strong in 2014. There is nothing wrong with rebuilding as long as you do it with conviction.

What do you think these 3 guys would have gotten on the open market? Why would you want salary relief from three guys basically earning their salaries.

I have to admit, I was hoping for the Sox to land a Buehrle/Reyes package for some middling prospects. But even that I feared might be too good to be true. To also get Johnson seems ridiculous.

Doesn't this #### the Athletics chances of landing a new stadium? What city would ever trust a team ever again? Bud should act in the best interests of the game on that point alone.

The A's would pay for their own stadium in San Jose, and San Jose is happy to sell them the land at a discount. I doubt the Miami situation will affect the Giants' opposition to the move.

Do the Marlins still have any fans at all? And if so, why?