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Tuesday, May 21, 2013

Living up to expectorations: The Alex Sanabia spitball clip

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posted 1 day ago by Repoz to marlins | 6 comment(s)

Alex Sanabia is on the Marlins. The odds are at least decent that you’ve never heard of Alex Sanabia before. What’s he all about? Let’s see ... leads the league in losses ... kind of a control pitcher in the minors ... 24 years old ... drafted in the 32nd round, just a round after William Mays ... but pretty nondescript, mostly.

...Spitter. He’s the spit guy. The guy with the spit. Yeah, I remember him. Ol’ Spitface with the spit coming out of his face. Good spitter, that guy. Loves to spit. ...

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251. Petunia inquires about ponies posted on November 14, 2012 at 07:41 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

They asked for that from Boston, and took THAT from Toronto?

252. with Glavinesque control and Madduxian poise posted on November 14, 2012 at 07:46 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I am not one for microwave baked potatoes, but these directions look pretty good.

253. Snowboy posted on November 14, 2012 at 08:02 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Tremendous trade by Anthopolous. Improves the Jays with five useful MLB players, and it only cost him one MLB player and some prospects. Yes, he'll be paying market price to those players, but he probably couldn't have signed a similar group of FA this winter and there were some genuine holes in the roster that needed to be filled (esp in the rotation.)

me today: I can't believe the Jays didn't have to give up Gose?
my American friend: what's gose, French for "anything?"

Oh here's a link about the tax implications for the players.

Traded Marlins Players Will Take $2 Million Tax Hit In Canada

254. Gamingboy posted on November 14, 2012 at 09:04 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

And apparently Buehrle's dog is screwed: it's breed is banned in the whole province of Ontario.

255. formerly dp posted on November 14, 2012 at 09:36 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Reports are Logan Morrison is now on the trading block as is Ricky Nolasco. What would be the asking price for either of them?

Could the Jays have gotten him thrown in? Is Plan A really David Cooper?

Am I the only one that can't eyeball the Las Vegas league/park factor? I know all the numbers are inflated, but I still get hopeful when I see a guy like Cooper had a .900+ OPS there the last two years...the Jays can't bolt from that place fast enough.

256. Good cripple hitter posted on November 14, 2012 at 09:46 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Am I the only one that can't eyeball the Las Vegas league/park factor? I know all the numbers are inflated, but I still get hopeful when I see a guy like Cooper had a .900+ OPS there the last two years...the Jays can't bolt from that place fast enough.

I can't do that either. Luckily the Jays' AAA team is going to be in Buffalo next year with the Mets affiliate moving to Vegas.

257. Snowboy posted on November 14, 2012 at 09:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

And apparently Buehrle's dog is screwed: it's breed is banned in the whole province of Ontario.

Yes, he has a pit bull. Not allowed.

I wonder about things like this, how off-field stuff will affect a player's performance? How will it affect Buehrle when he comes home and his dog isn't there? How will Jose Reyes react, moving from a warm climate and a city full of Latinos, to whitebread Toronto? He made the choice to go to Miami a year ago as a Free Agent - maybe he was aware, without a no-trade clause, that this could happen - but did he think it would be within a year? How will they all react to the purple money, and the blue money, and all the coins, and all the Pakistanis and the Sikhs, and the different education system (if they even bring their kids to Canada)? Etc.

258. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle posted on November 14, 2012 at 09:56 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Reyes projects as about a 4 win player. That's easily worth a contract in that range, given the money in the game and the excellent young-player skills that Reyes brings.

Per bbref, he's been above 2.8 once since '08; while fangraphs thinks he's about a 4 WAR player, that's based on much rosier defensive ratings (a 24 run (2.4 win) difference over the past 2 seasons, for instance) and defense is the first thing to go.

I too was a little startled at the 4 win claim, particularly as Matt didn't mention including age related decline therein. Despite his 160 games in 2012, Reyes played something like 133, 126, and 40 games the three years before that. My guess is Reyes will come up around 20m short on the return for his salary. The practical low end is probably around 10 wins in the next 5 years; with the high end around 18. A 6 win season isn't far-fetched, but Reyes is also more than capable of missing much of a season and being ineffective when he does play. Something like 5-4-3-2-1 (and not in that order) looks right. He'll be 34 when the contract ends, and it wouldn't really surprise me if he was done by the end of 2017. His career doesn't scream 'likely to age well', and by 2018 his bat won't play in a corner...

The Selig bashing is overkill. He has no obligation to do anything other than what's best for his business.

So if I can get away with dumping hexavalent chromium in your kids' drinking water because it increases my profit margin, that's okay?

259. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on November 14, 2012 at 09:59 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Whitebread Toronto? Half of Toronto's population is foreign-born. Although not many are from Latin America compared to Asia, over 100,000 have Spanish as their native language.

260. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:28 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Over 24 hours and no one here has asked if this is even legal?

261. base ball chick posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:47 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

196. dlf Posted: November 14, 2012 at 11:33 AM (#4302294)

What I wouldn't give to be able to read John Brattain's take on this.

- what i wouldn't give to read his take on anything at all. i still miss him soooo much - and it will be 4 years come march

John and Doug Pappas are probably sharing a laugh over this right about now.

- funny, both my Dogss are named after them - Dog Pappas and Jana Brattain Dog.
I've taught them to growl/snarl when i say "jim crane" and "designated hitter"
now i'll hafta teach them to howl when i say "jeffrey loria"

262. Lassus posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

What I wouldn't give to be able to read John Brattain's take on this.

Truth.

I wonder how Reyes is going to do on the turf. That stadium is so, so sad. Sorry, RJ.

263. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

RJ? Rosé Jeyes?

264. Paul D(uda) posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:04 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Toronto's one of (if not the) most diverse city in the world.

265. YR Misses Reggie Bars posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:05 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The Yankees are entitled to a refund of whatever Mr. Steinbrenner didn't freely agree to share with his business partners.

Actually, wasn't Steinbrenner the only owner to vote against revenue sharing?

Shhhh, he's on a roll.

266. Shock posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:12 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The turf isnt what it used to be.

267. Matt Clement of Alexandria posted on November 15, 2012 at 07:38 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Reyes projects as about a 4 win player. That's easily worth a contract in that range, given the money in the game and the excellent young-player skills that Reyes brings.

(a) Per bbref, he's been above 2.8 once since '08; while fangraphs thinks he's about a 4 WAR player, that's based on much rosier defensive ratings (a 24 run (2.4 win) difference over the past 2 seasons, for instance) and defense is the first thing to go.

(b) I too was a little startled at the 4 win claim, particularly as Matt didn't mention including age related decline therein. Despite his 160 games in 2012, Reyes played something like 133, 126, and 40 games the three years before that.

'm just looking at a baseline here - this is a regressed, weighted average of Reyes' value over the last three years:

+14 Bat + 3 Run + 20 Rep + 6 Pos - 5 Def = +38 RAR

In the current offensive environment, it takes a little less that 10 runs created to contribute a full win, so that's about four wins. It's true that a lot of the value comes from 2011, but I know of no systematic evidence that players whose value is distributed unevenly over recent years are either worse or better bets to produce value in the future. (MGL's study of career years found that treating them as you would any other year, weighting and regressing, was the best approach.) And Reyes has already had a good season following his career year, just like the projections expected.

He's going to be 30, which really isn't particularly old for a free agent. He has all the classic young player skills that project a better aging curve. If you project 5% inflation, a current cost of $5.5M per win, and a half-win decline per year, Reyes projects to be worth a contract around 5/90 or 6/100.

268. Lassus posted on November 15, 2012 at 09:05 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

RJ? Rosé Jeyes?

RJ in TO

The turf isnt what it used to be.

This is true. Still, turf is turf. Regardless, I hope at this revives Reyes a bit from last year. His last year in NY was awesome to watch, and I would like a few more years of that player in baseball.

269. formerly dp posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:40 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Regardless, I hope at this revives Reyes a bit from last year. His last year in NY was awesome to watch, and I would like a few more years of that player in baseball.

Plus, if that happens, Met fans will get the added benefit of seeing have a lot of great games against the Yankees. Did not heart having to root against Reyes last year when he came back to Citi.

270. RJ in TO posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:50 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

I wonder how Reyes is going to do on the turf. That stadium is so, so sad. Sorry, RJ.

Meh. It's not as bad as people say, although it's certainly not wonderful. The upgrades from a couple years back have helped.

As for the turf, it's not the old-school cementish turf. He should be fine.

271. Lassus posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:08 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The upgrades from a couple years back have helped. As for the turf, it's not the old-school cementish turf. He should be fine.

I will admit I haven't been in the stadium since - gulp - 2001. The time, it scurries away like a pissed-off scorpion.

272. villageidiom posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:39 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Side note: do not wrap baking potatoes in foil. Oil and salt on the outside, couple holes poked in it, 350 for an hour (or whatever); time will vary based on your oven and the size of the potatoes; you can also vary the temperature successfully depending on how much time you have or what else you're baking. But wrapping in foil will actually steam rather than bake and it will #### the texture right up, as well as getting dumb soft skin instead of awesome crispy skin.

Wash the potatoes. While they're still damp, rub them generously with salt. Poke holes. Bake. If people want steamed potato skin, wrap in foil for 5-10 minutes after baking.

273. Matthew E posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:46 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Meh. It's not as bad as people say, although it's certainly not wonderful.

I agree. I think the place gets a bad rap. Things I like about it:

- no rainouts
- centrally located and convenient to transit
- clean
- CN Tower
- not like anywhere else

I don't claim it's a great ballpark. But Toronto could do a lot worse.

274. Random Transaction Generator posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:54 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

whitebread Toronto

As someone else already said, Toronto is one of the most diverse cities in the world.

And when Caribana starts up in July, the place is just hopping.

How will they all react to the purple money, and the blue money, and all the coins,

purple money = $10 bills
blue money = $5 bills
coins = $1 and $2

I'm not sure how many of those they'll have on them.

275. Random Transaction Generator posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:58 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

- no rainouts

I can not stress enough how important those two things are to Blue Jays fans.
When you considered the terrible situation before (Exhibition Place), SkyDome/Rogers Center is amazing.

My mom has said that they have a share of season tickets only because they are guaranteed to play the game that is scheduled AND the climate will be good for baseball (especially at night). If she had to worry about games getting cancelled, or it being too cold to go (in April/September), then she wouldn't be willing to shell out money in advance.

276. AROM posted on November 15, 2012 at 01:01 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Having 2 small children, there is no better way to watch baseball than from your hotel room inside the stadium. You can't do that anywhere else.

277. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) posted on November 15, 2012 at 01:04 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

purple money = $10 bills
blue money = $5 bills
coins = $1 and $2

Red money $50
Brown money $100
Burgundy money $1000 (no longer printed, but still in circulation)

278. Random Transaction Generator posted on November 15, 2012 at 01:08 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Red money $50
Brown money $100
Burgundy money $1000 (no longer printed, but still in circulation)

Have you seen the cool new $100 bills in Canada? See-through section and made of polymer?
Even though I can spend them anywhere, I think they are pretty damn cool.

279. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat posted on November 15, 2012 at 01:36 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

As someone else already said, Toronto is one of the most diverse cities in the world.

Just to beat a dead horse, in 2006 there were 31 languages spoken as the primary "at home language" by 10,000 or more Toronto residents. The diversity of Toronto's diversity is what's so impressive about it. We tend to call a city "diverse" if it has big white, black, and Latino populations, but Toronto is made up half of white Canadians and half of a sampling of about everyone else on the planet. That's diverse diversity.

280. Matthew E posted on November 15, 2012 at 01:45 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

As someone else already said, Toronto is one of the most diverse cities in the world.

The high school in Toronto that my brother and I went to was particularly diverse. My brother's geography class did a thing once where each kid wrote down the countries of birth of his or her four grandparents, and they put together a bar graph of which countries were most represented. The final bar graph had like a hundred and twenty countries on it and the bar for Canada was nowhere near the tallest one.

281. Slivers of Maranville (SdeB) posted on November 15, 2012 at 02:01 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

purple money = $10 bills
blue money = $5 bills
coins = $1 and $2

Wait, I thought $50 bills were blue. $10 bills are yellow, $5 are pink.

282. The Yankee Clapper posted on November 15, 2012 at 02:01 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I don't claim it's a great ballpark. But Toronto could do a lot worse.

How bad can it be - the Blue Jays drew over 4 million fans for three straight years. You'd think the word would have gotten around pretty quickly if it was a real problem.

283. Papa Squid posted on November 15, 2012 at 02:13 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Have you seen the cool new $100 bills in Canada? See-through section and made of polymer?

They unveiled the new $20s this week. Pretty cool...

284. Bitter Mouse is a genre addict posted on November 15, 2012 at 02:45 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The Selig bashing is overkill.

This is not, was not, and will never be true. Even when he does something good bashing is always appropriate. Now back to what this thread is really about ... potato recipes and currency.

285. Gonfalon Bubble posted on November 15, 2012 at 02:52 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The ultimate workhorse Mark Buehrle joins a team that averages 7.5 season-ending starting pitcher injuries per year. Something's gotta give.

Buerhle is being sent to a Toronto chop shop, where he will be broken down, and his parts distributed to the rest of the Blue Jays pitching staff.

286. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) posted on November 15, 2012 at 03:01 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I still don't get how anyone successfully counterfeited the old ones. They have a hologram, a metallic stip partially imbedded/woven into the paper, braille, and a watermark of the Queen visible only when held up to the light. And of course microprinting and a special paper stock.

287. Shock posted on November 15, 2012 at 03:46 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Buerhle is being sent to a Toronto chop shop, where he will be broken down, and his parts distributed to the rest of the Blue Jays pitching staff.

Or fed to his pitbull.

288. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) posted on November 15, 2012 at 04:51 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Yunel Escobar to play third base?

Surely he's getting flipped, right?

289. ColonelTom posted on November 15, 2012 at 06:08 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

No way they're going to pay Yunel $5M next year. They're just saying he will play third to expand his market. The Phils would have to be interested.

290. canadian shield posted on November 15, 2012 at 07:22 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Wait, I thought $50 bills were blue. $10 bills are yellow, $5 are pink.

Negative, the 5 is green, 10 is red, 25 is purple.

291. Paul D(uda) posted on November 16, 2012 at 03:09 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

And now Toronto's signed Melky!

292. Papa Squid posted on November 16, 2012 at 03:12 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

And now Toronto's signed Melky!

AA, making it rain!!

293. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) posted on November 16, 2012 at 03:14 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Woohoo!! I still can't help but think there are more deals to come. Do they keep Davis now? What about a platoon partner for 1b?

294. formerly dp posted on November 16, 2012 at 03:29 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Wow, that was a) cheap, and b) unexpected. They are really going for the throat right now. That lineup's starting to look tasty.

295. JJ1986 posted on November 16, 2012 at 03:39 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

So, what's the Jays lineup?

SS Reyes
LF Melky
RF Bautista
DH Encarnacion
1B ???
3B Lawrie
2B Bonifacio
CF Rasmus
C Arencibia

296. formerly dp posted on November 16, 2012 at 03:42 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I think Plan A is Maicer Izturis at 2B, with Bonifacio as the backup. Cooper and Lind at 1B? Seems like it wouldn't be hard to find a better option than that...

For some reason, I thought Bonifacio was older than he is. Came up young and never got any better...

297. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) posted on November 16, 2012 at 03:49 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I think I'd rather see Bonifacio start, with Izturis as the backup. Lawrie and Reyes are gonna need some days off. Plus, Bonifacio is a superior baserunner and probably an equal defender, while being basically the same hitter.

298. vivaelpujols posted on November 16, 2012 at 04:16 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Beinfest is good, but he won't be able to stop them from averaging less than 70 wins over the next decade.

I will be you like 5,000 dollars the Marlins average more than 70 wins the next decade. You game?

299. DL from MN posted on November 16, 2012 at 04:49 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The Twins will give you Morneau for one of those new shiny Marlins pitchers.

300. spycake posted on November 16, 2012 at 05:08 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

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Living up to expectorations: The Alex Sanabia spitball clip

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