Monday, May 20, 2013
Sherman: Mets’ roster of rubbish makes it impossible to evaluate Collins
(www.nypost.com)
Roster of Rubbish? I know some people were down on who joined Armisen on stage…but this is ridiculous!
Read More...And Collins’ team isn’t winning. So you should understand why he might be losing it. He turns 64 later this month. He was run out of Houston and Anaheim. There is no next managing job. This is more than his last best chance. It is just plain his last chance to prove he is a good major league manager.
...For if you know whether Collins is a good manager or bad manager based on his Mets ...
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1. formerly dp posted on January 24, 2013 at 08:16 AM # hit 0 | hit 0If Heyman picks this up, I guess we could assume Boras as the source. This suggests an interesting, disruptive strategy to try to get one of his comp FAs a big deal though.
Would a threatened lawsuit about all draft related issues get MLB to amend the rule that comp picks count towards the 10 protected picks? He'd need the Mets to be willing to go along and give up their 2nd for a big pay day to Bourn.
It's worth keeping in mind here that the Pirates offered Appel every dollar they could without forfeiting next year's first-rounder. They didn't go out of their way to screw the Mets here - Appel just has a grossly overinflated sense of his own worth.
I get that he just turned 30 and he relies on his speed a lot, but the Mets really have no one coming up in the OF any time soon. If they can keep their first rounder protected they should be all over Bourn.
Appel basically decided that unless he could force the Pirates to go over budget, he'd rather return to the draft pool and play out the college season well enough to earn a top three pick this year. It's a big risk, and Appel may be overconfident in his abilities, but it's not really a problem of Appel misrecognizing his worth.
Who would have though Bolshevik Bud's latest scheme to artificially depress compensation to the proles would have a downside?
I don't know... Appel was a consensus top 3, yes, but that was more a reflection of the pool, no? I.e., he was more of a Bobbie Brownlie "someone's gotta be the best college pitcher in the draft just because" than "top college pitcher who generates some level of excitement".
I suppose some guys get lucky with their draft class and some don't, but seems to me like there's a layer of value here being ignored in this statement -- the draft class is what it is, so pay accordingly -- but that draft class ultimately goes into the hopper with both past and future draft classes among the total pool of players, so just because a guy is "best in class" might make him less valuable 25th ranked 'best in class' from previous drafts.
he could use bourn in centerfield as well.
it's also possible that marcum regains his 89 mph fastball which is key to him. nobody lives on the edge of velocity more than marcum who is a change up pitcher. if his fastball is 88-89 his 80 mph changeup works. if he's throwing 85/86 he's doomed. know this sounds silly but brewer fans saw it firsthand.
doug melvin certainly thought he was looking at jeff suppan ii when he watched marcum. it was painful to see.
No. Sandy Alderson will issue an ultimatum.
Exactly, stay the course and stop wasting out time with false public relations BS
I paid less attention to the 2012 draft that I usually do, having said that, looking at various mock drafts/forecasts, yeah Appel was *supposed* to go top 3...
Of course as someone else is fond of saying the downside risk for every pitcher is, "never throws another pitch"
The upside for Appel is a few mil extra upfront- then again this worked out extremely well for Hochevar- if he'd signed with the Dodgers he would have gotten a couple mil less upfront, and being a better and deeper organization, he likely would have spent a good chunk of the past few years in AAA rather than the MLB, and he'd be making far less in 2012/2013 than what KC is paying him... so financially it worked out great for Hoch
of course if Hoch had signed with and been developed by LA instead of KC, maybe he'd be a good pitcher now.
The young pitchers they are trying to develop would benefit greatly from having a real fly-catcher in CF.
He's the type of pop free speedster tools goof the Mets have had an inordinate fondness for since as long as I can remember- Bourn at least is a very good example of the type, but it's type of player I'm far less enamored of than the Mets have been...
The WAR scores given to him by both BBREF and fangraphs causes me no small amount of cognitive dissonance.
Theoretically, the Mets would be looking to compete in 2014 or 2015; Bourn is likely going to be a better player than whoever they have in CF otherwise.
Seems to me that the Mets are following the Nationals road to success. Sucking for 5-10 years and developing their farm system.
I really like the Marcum deal. I don't expect them to sign Bourn although he'd be a nice fit. If not him, they need to get a no-hit all defense centerfielder.
I would think there's a rangy CF on the cheap, if you're totally unconcerned with offense. I think their interest is more likely the result of hoping they can score Bourn at a lower price this late in the off-season.
I am surprised there wasn't more interest in Marcum. If he's healthy, the drop-off from Dickey shouldn't be that terrible.
Appel was being projected as a top three pick because the Astros had the #1 and analysts thought they might go for a polished guy with Houston roots who'd sign quickly. When he tried to hold them up, they went in a different direction (and got a better player as well). Appel wasn't a #1 overall-type talent: BA had him at #4 on their final pre-draft rankings, for example, and he was seen as a basically interchangeable quantity with Gausman or Zimmer.
He wasn't even the best pitcher available at the Pirates' pick - that honor belongs to Giolito, who dropped for medical reasons but is still a better bet in the long term.
If Appel thinks he can get more money out of someone else next year, he's welcome to try, but I don't think it's a very smart play. Still, it keeps the Pirates from getting stuck with a player I didn't like all that much, so in that respect, I'm grateful.
I don't know if it's possible to get in on a Justin Upton deal without including Wheeler or D'Arnaud (it's almost definitely not possible), but there are some merits to an approach that involves signing Bourn and trading for Upton. There are some apparently undervalued assets on the market right now, and I think it's almost always a good move to go after undervalued assets.
Theoretically, the Mets would be looking to compete in 2014 or 2015; Bourn is likely going to be a better player than whoever they have in CF otherwise.
I wish I could think this way and if you think that the mets can compete by 2015 then this would be fine but I just don't see it. The other teams are so strong right now, especially the nationals, and so young, I don't see the mets competing until 2016 if everything breaks about as good as can be hoped. Given who they have in the majors, given their upper level farm teams, 2013 and 2014 are pipe dreams and signing Bourn is not a help to getting to 2016.
The young pitchers they are trying to develop would benefit greatly from having a real fly-catcher in CF.
This is very true and giving the young pitchers confidence that someone out there could catch their mistakes is a big plus I didn't think of but honestly, so what, they lose less games but are still well under .500?
Well I did say "theoretically"..
I hear what you are saying, and I'm not saying I expect the Mets to compete in 2014. I think in baseball no team, unless you are a complete no hope team like the Astros, should write off until 2016. Too much can happen between now and then.
I really thought they should have made a run at Melky.
Edit: Much better!
somehow I suspect that your opinion of Appel is not shared by anyone within Appel's circle. Plus I've looked at about 7-8 mock drafts, he was usually #1 and never lower than #3. BA's #4 depth ranking is the worst I've seen for him- and the Pirates best offer (which I do not blame them at all for not going higher given the system in place) was less than #4 slot money.
Allegedly Appel was offered 6mil pre-draft by Houston, he said he wouldn't sign for that, and they said, "pass."
psychologically it has got to be very very hard to take 3.8 2 months after saying "no" to 6.
I'm sure he's also praying that there's only one Matt Harrington...
Again, those are mock drafts, not player rankings (which assess players purely on merit). Totally different animal. Mock drafts expected Houston to take the Houston kid, for obvious reasons.
If he wasn't prepared to deal with that, he should have taken the $6M offer.
Think he's going to get even a $4M offer this time around? It's not out of the question, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Upton wouldave been a better fit. They need a RH corner OF starter BAD. At least in center, they have the Kirk/Cowgill platoon to play and MAYBE Den Dekker on the way. They have Mike Baxter (!!) penciled in RF right now, with no one close from the minors.
I have no idea, I was shocked when Hoch was taken #1 the year he went back in the draft, by WAR he's the 13 best pitcher taken in the 1st round that year (OTOH he has out-pitched Reynolds and Miller...)
But FWIW both Bleacher Report and MLB.com have Appel still on top:
Big League Futures most recent Mock Draft had him going 3rd...
my quick perusal seems to indicate that the 2013 class is expected to be weak fwiw
MLB.com is a decent source, so when you add in the debit for Bleacher Report, that totals out to zero...
Other than Harrington I can't think of anyone who has done that.
Plenty of guys drafted out of HS have turned down the $ and gone to college 2 or 4 years... but Appel is graduating college...
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