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Rk Year #Matching
1 1998 1150 Ind. Games
2 2000 1131 Ind. Games
3 1999 1027 Ind. Games
4 2001 887 Ind. Games
5 2002 843 Ind. Games
6 2005 819 Ind. Games
7 2003 799 Ind. Games
8 2004 778 Ind. Games
9 2006 695 Ind. Games
10 2010 660 Ind. Games
11 2011 653 Ind. Games
12 2007 562 Ind. Games
13 2008 553 Ind. Games
14 2009 549 Ind. Games
15 2012 483 Ind. Games
16 2013 385 Ind. Games
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1 1998 2609 Ind. Games
2 2000 2499 Ind. Games
3 1999 2466 Ind. Games
4 2005 2344 Ind. Games
5 2001 2297 Ind. Games
6 2004 2249 Ind. Games
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8 2011 2210 Ind. Games
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11 2006 2180 Ind. Games
12 2007 2064 Ind. Games
13 2012 1956 Ind. Games
14 2009 1939 Ind. Games
15 2008 1934 Ind. Games
16 2013 1535 Ind. Games
Year Pit/GS GS BF Pit/BF
1988 96 4200 112643 3.6
1993 95 4538 119081 3.6
1998 96 4864 127553 3.7
2003 94 4860 123603 3.7
2008 95 4856 121818 3.8
2013 96 3892 97902 3.8
But assuming p/pa has gone up since Wright's study and that Wright's "30" wasn't exactly handed to him by God, averaging 27 per start today must be pretty close to Wright's "tipping point".
1988 96 4200 112643 3.6
2013 96 3892 97902 3.8
Given the recovery timeframe for TJ surgery is generally thought to be 12 months (or possibly less), does it really make sense to get the surgery now?
Throwing overhand with maximum force, using different grips, angles, and spins, thousands of times a year starting when you are a kid, seems like a pretty unnatural thing to do. I'm not sure humans are made to do that.
The obvious question here is whether this is something new, or did we always have this many ligament tears but pitchers either just lost their fastballs and pitched through it, or simply disappeared. Similarly, was this happening at a similar rate with kids and the kids just stopped playing baseball because their arms hurt
If he gets it done now, he can get some work in at the end of the next season and be ready to go in 2014. I think that's the best case scenario for him.
Adam Rubin of ESPN New York reports that the Mets have at least five players going through revocable waivers and that there is a high probability that the club will make at least one trade in the next 24 to 48 hours.
It appears the Mets are prepping for potential trades, as the club has catcher Anthony Recker, outfielder Matt den Dekker and left-hander Robert Carson en route to New York. Marlon Byrd, John Buck, and Pedro Feliciano are among the candidates to be traded.
Buck's a averagish C. He's worth something to a team that needs that. But, does any competitor have a real hole at C?
How significant is an MRI? Is it the sort of thing a team could do monthly for its young pitchers? Or at least it's big-ticket pitchers? If so, would something have shown up a month ago that would have been treatable with something short of Tommy John Surgery? (speaking generally and not specifically wrt Harvey's injury)
Fangraphs has him at 6.6 WAR over his last 465 games (4 seasons). That seems about avg.
Your typical MRI bill is around $2,000 speaking with a neurologist about this last night. His office owns his own MRI machine and have their own techs, etc. He's not surprised clubs rarely invest in these themselves.
Wouldn't it be cheaper for a ML team to just buy their own MRI? I mean, I don't know how much an MRI machine costs, but it can't be that much.
It's a fallacy that there exists a strategy that will keep pitchers healthy. See the first quote in . Throwing the ball 90+ MPH repeatedly is a fundamentally unnatural act which will cause injury.
Condolences to the Mets fans around here.
Mark Prior had a long healthy stretch compared to when these guys first went down.
While I agree with your point that what major league pitchers do is inherently risky, I do think there are things that can reduce risk of injury. One is having clean mechanics. And I think throwing fastballs and cutters place less stress on the elbow than breaking pitches and splitters. Finally, proper rest and PT are essential. I doubt major league pitchers are uniform in the care and maintenance of their throwing arms.
Still the question of whether you are throwing as many pitches to get through 27 as you used to throw to get through 30. I doubt p/pa has changed that much but you never know and K-rates are through the roof.
Jonah Keri talks us off the ledge...I think...
Really? He got hurt when he was 23.
There's no evidence that throwing splitters correlates with elbow issues.
“I always thought that if thrown properly with the fingers really split like a forkball, that’s when you can get hurt because there’s no resistance against the ball being thrown and it really put a lot of pressure on the elbow,” Rays Manager Joe Maddon said. “But it’s not just about them getting hurt. They’ll never develop their other pitches because they’ll always get guys out with that pitch.”
“You can just take your fingers and the more you put them apart, the more you put stress on the elbow,” the Twins pitching coach Rick Anderson said. “It’s a pitch we really try to shy off of.”
Splitter-heavy pitchers who have developed shoulder and elbow problems include Bryan Harvey, Rod Beck and John Smoltz, who took a break from throwing his splitter after experiencing elbow pain.
“I think there is a correlation between some stresses put on the arms — some guys have had elbow problems, forearm problems, shoulder problems — and that pitch,” Scioscia said.
Who are some other pitchers to start their careers well and then go down with injuries so quickly?
Recently there's been Strasburg (92 IP?) and Francisco Liriano (20 starts, 34G, 144.2 IP). But I'm drawing a blank between those guys and Fidrych (about 40 starts). Mark Prior had a long healthy stretch compared to when these guys first went down. I remember guys like David Palmer and Alejandro Pena but it looks like those guys also made it a little further into their careers.
There isn't? Then what do you call this?
2. I don't know what you'll do with all that info. Lots of pitchers will have no symptoms and something weird on the MRI. You can't shut them all down.
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