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I expressed this on the Carlos Gomez thread--Minaya is in fact a hell of a talent scout. Just don't give him a budget to manage.
Did Bay *feel* like a Minaya deal? It didn't to me. It felt like the Wilpons needed a splash, didn't realize they were poor.
This doesn't really compute, plus GMs have very little to do with amateur scouting, especially beyond the team's first-round pick.
You could argue the Mets’ five best players to date have been Daniel Murphy, Lucas Duda, Juan Lagares, Dillon Gee and Jonathon Niese.
Or, you can argue, the parting gift was leaving Carlos Beltran and R.A. Dickey behind so Alderson could trade for Zack Wheeler, Travis d’Arnaud and Noah Syndergaard. In other words, even what have been hailed as Alderson’s best moves, so far, have Minaya’s legacy as part of them.
Alderson has actually been awful at spending what money he has been given as GM of the Mets.
Truth be told, I think drafting is more important than it has been in decades. Every team has enough money to keep their homegrown stars now. The days of guys like Beltran becoming free agents in the prime of their careers are gone.
Dilson Herrera is a legit prospect.
At career 0.8 WAR, Josh Satin is the 4th best position player drafted by Omar Minaya after Daniel Murphy, Ike Davis, and Josh Thole.
Minaya has always regarded himself as a scout first and foremost, even as GM. "Show me talent and I'll show you OBP."
He was always on the ground in Latin America in particular.
I guess if for some reason you want to give him zero credit for anything this century, that's one way to look at it.
Your post mentioned I-rod, Sosa, and somebody named igor. I can't imagine where I got the impression that you weren't giving him credit for this century.
Joe, I think there is an article that touches on this.
The article serving as the basis for this thread? If so, it includes a very uninspired list of players, with the exception of Matt Harvey (and Minaya's role in Harvey's selection is unclear; MLB GMs typically spend very little time on amateur scouting unless they're picking No. 1 overall or very close thereto).
Love the logic here.
Step 1: Minaya put together a crappy farm system.
Step 2: Except for one amazing player.
Step 3: But GM's don't deserve credit for the farm system anyway.
I'm really not a Minaya apologist. I think he was a mediocre GM. I just felt like pouncing on your inane comment.
A great scout with a top-5 MLB budget comes up with more than one stud in 6 years as GM.
Again, it was the thought process, wherein you criticize Minaya for his shitty farm system and then, in the same paragraph, you downplay the significance of one extraordinary prospect because "GM's typically spend very little time on amateur scouting." Do you see why that is inconsistent?
I shouldn't have fed the troll. I didn't realize.
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