Love that the team finally has lots of hard throwers. It's been so many years since that's been the case.

I'm pleased to see Sickels so high on Flores. If he can handle 2B, that will be huge going forward. Hoping he starts the season at AAA and can arrive for 2014.

Big improvement, but they still desperetely need some young bats.

Flores looks to me like one of those players that will get lost in between positions - not hit enough for OF, not field enough for IF. I guess that makes him similar to the guy in front of him, Daniel Murphy. They could make an awkward little platoon at 2B maybe.

I'm not sure how often you see straight prospect for prospect trades but the Mets might want to see what they can flip two of their youngish arms for. Would Syndeergard and Familia or something bring back a B+ or A- OF bat?

Flores looks to me like one of those players that will get lost in between positions - not hit enough for OF, not field enough for IF.

At age 20, he hit .300/.349/.479 split evenly between high-A and AA. Murphy didn't hit AA until age 23. Unlike previous Met prospects, Flores is we;;-rated, young *and* starting to back that up with his performance. It would be tough for him to look as uncomfortable at 2B as Murphy does.

6 posts in 4h20m for a Mets prospect report? Circa 2007, it would have been 4m20s for 6 posts.

Unfortunately, I fear that the 2016 Phillies prospect report will go uncommented on.

awkward little platoon

A fine handle if one were so inclined.

With Matt Harvey that looks like a good collection of young players. I'm hopeful for the future.

I'm not sure how often you see straight prospect for prospect trades but the Mets might want to see what they can flip two of their youngish arms for. Would Syndeergard and Familia or something bring back a B+ or A- OF bat?

He's not a prospect, but I'd see if they can send pitching prospects to the Angels for Bourjos.

In a fantasy world where the Mets actually have the type of money to spend commiserate with being a NY team in a brand new stadium and with its own tv network, Josh Hamilton might have been a reasonable target. But now I'll feel happy if they sign Nyjer Morgan.

lotsa of young arms! This as exciting as the days of Pulsipher, Isringhausen, and Wilson!!

In a fantasy world where the Mets actually have the type of money to spend commiserate with being a NY team in a brand new stadium and with its own tv network, Josh Hamilton might have been a reasonable target. But now I'll feel happy if they sign Nyjer Morgan.

yeah, couldn't they pretty much have say, Hamilton, Reyes, Dickey, and another OF bat (Swisher?)

I think I read the payroll is around $90 million right now. The first three guys I listed would put them around $135 million. There were 4 teams with payrolls over $150 million last year, so it wouldn't be a big deal for them to spend something like $15 million on Swisher. (Or $8 million on Melky).

How good is that team?
C Thole
1B Davis
2B Tejada (or murph?)
SS Reyes
3B Wright
OF you could play Hamilton in CF, or put him in a corner with Swisher/Melky and play Kirk in CF or something

Rotation would be Dickey, Santana, Niese, Harvey, and Gee.

That's at least a contending team, no? The Mets won 74 games last year. They got, and I am not making this up, about 4 WAR from all of their OF last year. Hamilton has been a solid 4 win player at his worst. (I'm going with fangraphs here). Swisher
s WAR's are hilarious; in 5 of the last 7 years he has been between 3.8 and 4.1, so pencil him in for around 4 as well. Or Melky, 3-4 WAR seems like a reasonable projection for him as well. And hopefully they could cobble together a few more WAR from the third OF spot (would help if they didn't play Duda or if Duda hit like he did in 2011 instead of 2012).

Mets got about 4.5 WAR from their middle IF rotation last year (basically Tejada/Quintinilla/Murphy/Cedeno). Reyes was 4.5 WAR last year, with the upside for some more. Tejada had 2.1 WAR last year in 114 games at SS, if you had him at secnd with Murph spelling him I could see closer to 3 WAR over the course of a full season.

So you're probably picking up 3 wins on the IF, maybe another 5-6 in the OF. Still seems like there is a little ways to go. (Though in my scenario I had the Mets spending arounf $150 million; the Phillies and Sox were closer to $170 million so you should theoretically have some more room to go to get another actual ML OF'r. But I thought things might look a little better than this, though it's obviously a very simplistic way of looking at things.

I want to be optimistic but I wonder if we will hear " well, we couldn't afford to keep Harvey and D'Arnaud so we moved them for these great prospects" in 2 years. I don't want us to be a permanent feeder team that constantly rebuilds. Please give this 50 year Met fan a reason to believe.

I don't think Hamilton + Reyes makes them instant contenders or anything, but it's something like a 6 win bump, which puts them in the .500 area, within sniffing distance of competing for the playoffs. Some other smart moves, some nice surprises from Wheeler and friends and maybe you can realistically talk about being a good team in 2014.

I don't want us to be a permanent feeder team that constantly rebuilds. Please give this 50 year Met fan a reason to believe.

I do believe that Wilpon doesn't want this to happen - he considers the team to be the family legacy and really does want to win. But right now he's being forced to burglarize the team for his financial sins. Who knows how long it will last?

This is the best Mets Prospect list that I can recall, ever. Very exciting.

For reference, some recent BA Mets prospect lists over three-year increments.

2002

1. Aaron Heilman
2. Alex Escobar
3. Jose Reyes
4. Pat Strange
5. Billy Traber
6. Jae Seo
7. David Wright
8. Grant Roberts
9. Jaime Cerda
10. Neal Musser

2005

1. Lastings Milledge, of
2. Yusmeiro Petit, rhp
3. Gaby Hernandez, rhp
4. Mike Jacobs, c/1b
5. Philip Humber, rhp
6. Carlos Gomez, of
7. Fernando Martinez, of
8. Anderson Hernandez, ss/2b
9. Brian Bannister, rhp
10. Alay Soler, rhp

2008

1. Fernando Martinez, of
2. Deolis Guerra, rhp
3. Carlos Gomez, of
4. Kevin Mulvey, rhp
5. Eddie Kunz, rhp
6. Brant Rustich, rhp
7. Philip Humber, rhp
8. Jon Niese, lhp
9. Nathan Vineyard, lhp
10. Robert Parnell, rhp

Good lord -- there was a universe where Jae Seo was a better prospect than David Wright?

Have they ever tried Wilmer in LF? Surely he can't be as bad as The Daniel Murphy Experiment.

The 2002 list has a lot of big prospect names, but they were mostly there at the wrong time. Roberts, Strange and Escobar were all getting worse as they moved through the system, whereas Reyes and Wright were too young to have really distinguished themselves. Heilman and Traber were products of the "only draft polished college pitchers" philosophy, a philosophy that was considered pretty sound.

The 2008 one is embarrassing. Eddie Kunz at #5 really stands out as ugly. He wouldn't get close to this year's top 10.

As a Blue Jays fan I am scanning this list to find who the unnamed "non-elite prospect" in the deal might be. If the deal is as rumoured, it would not surprise me if one of the people heading to Toronto is on this list.

Hard to put myself out there and guess, but Cecchinia for Sierra perhaps? Jays could use a position prospect that can play middle infiled. Sierra is non-elite and is now being pushed aside by Toronto but would serve as a useful piece or placeholder for New York. Would New York erupt if Flores was the equalizer or he would be universally considered elite?

I was only barely aware of Flores, which meets my exact definition of non-elite. Plus I sort of figure that the way the rest of the deal stacks up Toronto will get the better of the "non-elite" swap to even it out a bit.

Have they ever tried Wilmer in LF? Surely he can't be as bad as The Daniel Murphy Experiment.

Why would they? Unless you think the Mets have a long-term solution at 2B in Daniel Murphy, Flores has more value to the organization if he can play a solid 2B than he would as a LF. I do think it was telling of their seriousness about signing David Wright that they pushed Flores off of 3B midseason. Unlike Murphy, Flores started off as a middle infielder, so it's not exactly uncharted waters out there for him.

Cecchinia

Can't be traded.

Ahh - thank you. Wish I hadnt guessed this on another thread.

Daniel Muno might fit the same role. He's a SS/2B guy, low ceiling, but decent bat.

Why would they? Unless you think the Mets have a long-term solution at 2B in Daniel Murphy, Flores has more value to the organization if he can play a solid 2B than he would as a LF.

My feeling, though I don't follow the minor leaguers really intently, is that Flores won't be able to hack it at second

Flores would be quite tall for a second baseman. Last year, only Neil Walker, DJ LeMahieu and Ben Zobrist were as tall and most 2B are a good 3-4 inches shorter.

2005

1. Lastings Milledge, of
2. Yusmeiro Petit, rhp
3. Gaby Hernandez, rhp
4. Mike Jacobs, c/1b
5. Philip Humber, rhp
6. Carlos Gomez, of
7. Fernando Martinez, of
8. Anderson Hernandez, ss/2b
9. Brian Bannister, rhp
10. Alay Soler, rhp

Oh man, the days when Mets fans were smoking crack. Milledge, Petit, Humber, Gomez and FMart on one list.

Oh man, the days when Mets fans were smoking crack. Milledge, Petit, Humber, Gomez and FMart on one list.

Still, better than the days when the Met players were smoking crack...though those were some winning teams...

28 = accurate

As a Blue Jays fan I am scanning this list to find who the unnamed "non-elite prospect" in the deal might be. If the deal is as rumoured, it would not surprise me if one of the people heading to Toronto is on this list.

No idea if it's actually true, but Mike Francesa just said that the final guy the Mets are giving up is Mike Nickeas. He at least fits the "non-elite" part of the description.

No idea if it's actually true, but Mike Francesa just said that the final guy the Mets are giving up is Mike Nickeas. He at least fits the "non-elite" part of the description.

That would be **awesome**!

Edit: Confirmed. OF Wulimer Becerra to the Mets.

Becerra batted .250/.359/.375 with no homers in 39 plate appearances this summer in the Gulf Coast League. The 18-year-old outfielder is about as raw as it gets.

Becerra may be raw but he got a $1.3 million signing bonus so obviously he's got some tools. For a comparison the Mets signed Rosario for $1.7 million and he was Enrique Rojas' No. 2 Latin America prospect.

For a guy who was supposed to be non-elite, this sounds like a terrific get. Especially as it apparently cost Mike Nickeas.

Sweet!

Nice walk rate for a raw as it gets kid.

Nice walk rate for a raw as it gets kid.

Klaw says he's got an idea at the plate and a good swing.

That's 39 plate appearances in the GCL for Becerra, folks. No one has any real idea what that means.

The reports I've seen suggest that he's going to end up in left field, he doesn't throw especially well, he's not likely to retain his speed, and that he's got "projectible" power. Whether that translates to real power remains to be seen, but it sounds very much like the ceiling isn't especially high.

-- MWE

That's 39 plate appearances in the GCL for Becerra, folks.

Yeah, I did not realize that at first.

Milledge just re-upped for another year in Japan. He was solid there last year - it's nice to see him doing well.

This team is going to suck for decades considering it doesn't seem to be able to afford a $60m roster in 2014. I expect Harvey and such to be traded away for new prospects once they start getting expensive. The Wilpons have destroyed this team for at least a decade to come.

considering it doesn't seem to be able to afford a $60m roster in 2014.

Baseless.

But I thought things might look a little better than this, though it's obviously a very simplistic way of looking at things.

It's always an interesting exercise. One reason the team would be even better than the 150m version you projected is that it's leas likely to waste money. When you have to go cheap, you get iffy relievers like Alderson picked up last offseason. When you have more to spend you can pick up more reliable guys at the margins, or pick up two iffy guys instead of one, with obvious improvements to your chances.

One reason the club isn't as good as you might have expected when you started spending 150m is that 20m and 16m were already in the toilet for Santana and Bay. That 150m was more like 115m. Big difference.

For reference, some recent BA Mets prospect lists over three-year increments.

[gags]

Are 2005 and 2008 at all typical? It's not typical that a team gets a Wright and Reyes out of its top ten, of course, but once they graduated the cupboard was incredibly bare.

For a while there the Mets always had one or two marquee prospects (Reyes, Wright, Milledge, Kazmir) and very poor depth.

@44--PF, that's consistent with something I've noticed about the team over the last decade. Most teams have a bunch of shitty, homegrown players in the minors they can call up in times of desperation. The Mets were often so thin they had to go outside the organization to get those shitty players to throw into the breach. That seems consistent with the top heaviness of the Minaya Mets.

I was never high on Milledge, but Kazmir was definitely the real thing.

How many here noticed Fernando! having himself a nice little bit of a year for Houston?

Mostly healthy, and while most of it was in the minors it was a solid season, and when he was up he showed a little punch at the plate. And still only 23. Not bad, and far from too late to put together a career. At 23 most players haven't reached the majors, and he's already got parts of four seasons in the bigs.

I was following Fernando loosely and his numbers were pretty bad at the MLB level but it looks like he had an excellent September. He still isn't displaying great plate discipline but the power's always been there. Good luck to him.

In the linked article, Sickels reports it's all over and done:

Mets Trade R.A. Dickey to Blue Jays for Prospects

The New York Mets and Toronto Blue Jays have reportedly completed their trade negotiations. As expected, the Mets are sending knuckleballing right-hander R.A Dickey north of the border, accompanied by catcher Josh Thole. In exchange, the Mets are receiving top catching prospect Travis D'Arnaud, top pitching prospect Noah Syndergaard, and veteran catcher John Buck.

The trade was completed on Monday. The Mets also sent veteran reserve catcher Mike Nickeas to Toronto, while the Blue Jays sent young outfielder Wuilmer Becerra to New York.

So it was Becerra, after all.

Sickels says,

Wuilmer Becerra, OF:The Blue Jays spent $1,300,000 to sign Wuilmer Becerra out of Venezuela in 2011. They brought him directly to North America in 2012, skipping the Latin American summer leagues. Unfortunately, he got into just 11 games in the Gulf Coast League, his season ending early after being hit in the face by a pitch.

Becerra is tall and lanky at 6-4, 190, but runs very well and could be a 20+ steal guy at higher levels if all goes well. He also has above-average power potential, and flashes good plate discipline. However, his swing mechanics are inconsistent and he may be more ripper than hitter. His arm isn't very good, so he profiles best at left field. At Becerra's age, anything can happen. Keep in mind that he wouldn't even be drafted until 2013 if he'd been born in the United States.He was born October 1st, 1994.

So, barely 18.

Ah, to be that young.

I'd rather players that young not already be limited to the corners, but if Johnny Damon's arm can spend time in CF, anyone's can.

If they're moving Nickeas, are they going to bring in another C? D'Arnaud doesn't start in the majors, right?

@44--PF, that's consistent with something I've noticed about the team over the last decade. Most teams have a bunch of shitty, homegrown players in the minors they can call up in times of desperation. The Mets were often so thin they had to go outside the organization to get those shitty players to throw into the breach. That seems consistent with the top heaviness of the Minaya Mets.

That definitely seems right, from memory.

The way I look at the 2006-2008 Mets is this: If you use fWAR, over that period the Mets had 3 of the 8 best players in baseball; Wright was 4th, Beltran 5th, and Reyes 8th. No other team had more than 1 player in the top 10, and they made the playoffs in one of those three years and while they came close the other 2 years, they won below 90 games both years.

I'm not sure there is a better way to explain how bad Omar was at filling in the gaps of the roster.