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I recently got invited to this event: The Burt Reynolds Dodgeball Tourney and Moustache Expo.
The journey though irony, pseudo-irony, post-irony, post-post-irony, non-irony, fetishism, and historical and cultural appropriation that the moustache has traveled over the last 15 years has been bewildering. Every time I see a dude with a 'stache I want to ask him, "Do you mean it? If so, how?"
I saw a guy with a kickball tournament t-shirt and he had a mustache. Kind of a Lt. Dangle type one so taken together I'm going to assume it was ironic.
Okay, I give up. What's the connection between Williamsburg and skinny jeans or beards?
Williamsburg is often thought of as the hipster (whatever that word means, I don't even know anymore) capital of the world; skinny jeans & beards are often associated with hipster (whatever that word means, I don't even know anymore) dress & culture.
They should make it "Williamsburg v. Williamsburg" night. You can show up in your beard and skinny jeans, or you can represent for Colonial Williamsburg and show up in breeches and a powdered wig. If they replace the beer with flips, slings, applejack and other 18th century beverages, then both groups will be happy.
11.McCoy posted on May 30, 2012 at 04:19 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Let me just say that Williamsburg on almost any night of the week on any day of the year is a total blast.
I lived in Williamsburg, Brooklyn for seven years and occasionally I would see commercials for the Colonial Williamsburg theme parks. It took about four or five viewings before I stopped getting fooled (and consequently excited) into thinking there is a roller coaster in my neighborhood.
Fundamentally, however, the hipster continues to be defined by the same tension faced by those early colonizers of Wicker Park. The hipster is that person, overlapping with the intentional dropout or the unintentionally declassed individual—the neo-bohemian, the vegan or bicyclist or skatepunk, the would-be blue-collar or postracial twentysomething, the starving artist or graduate student—who in fact aligns himself both with rebel subculture and with the dominant class, and thus opens up a poisonous conduit between the two.
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Indeed, the White Hipster—the style that suddenly emerged in 1999—inverted Broyard’s model to particularly unpleasant effect. Let me recall a string of keywords: trucker hats; undershirts called “wifebeaters,” worn alone; the aesthetic of basement rec-room pornography, flash-lit Polaroids, and fake-wood paneling; Pabst Blue Ribbon; “porno” or “pedophile” mustaches; aviator glasses; Americana T-shirts from church socials and pig roasts; tube socks; the late albums of Johnny Cash; tattoos.
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Suddenly, the hipster transformed.
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In culture, the Hipster Primitive moment recovered the sound and symbols of pastoral innocence with an irony so fused into the artworks it was no longer visible. Music led the artistry of this phase, and the period’s flagship publication, the record-review website and tastemaker Pitchfork, picked up as Vice declined. Here are the names of some significant bands, post-2004: Grizzly Bear, Neon Indian, Deerhunter, Fleet Foxes, Department of Eagles, Wolf Parade, Band of Horses, and, most centrally, Animal Collective. (On the electronic-primitive side, LCD Soundsystem.) Listeners heard animal sounds and lovely Beach Boys–style harmonies; lyrics and videos pointed to rural redoubts, on wild beaches and in forests; life transpired in some more loving, spacious, and manageable future, possibly of a Day-Glo or hallucinatory brightness. It was not unheard of to find band members wearing masks or plush animal suits.
Where the White Hipster was relentlessly male, crowding out women from public view (except as Polaroid muses or SuicideGirls), the Hipster Primitive feminized hipster markers; one spoke now of headdresses and Sally Jessy Raphael glasses, not just male facial hair. Women took up cowboy boots, then dark-green rubber Wellingtons, like country squiresses off to visit the stables. Men gave up the porno mustache for the hermit or lumberjack beard. Flannel returned, as did hunting jackets in red-and-black check. Scarves proliferated unnecessarily, conjuring a cold woodland night (if wool) or a desert encampment (if a kaffiyeh). Then scarves were worn as bandannas, as when Mary-Kate Olsen sported one, like a cannibal Pocahontas, hungry enough to eat your arm.
Above all, the post-2004 hipster could be identified by one stylistic marker that transcended fashion to be something as fundamental as a cultural password: jeans that were tight to the calves and ankles. As much as I’ve investigated this, I can’t say I understand the origin of the skinny jean. Why, of many candidates for fashion statements, did it become ubiquitous? All that seems obvious is that it was an opportunity to repudiate the White Hipster moment, while still retaining the furthest possible distinction from the mainstream. The skinny jean was instant and utter inversion, attaining the opposite extreme from the boot-cut flared motorcycle jeans of the White Hipster. It proved the vitality of a hipster community. It meant that the group impulse would hold, no matter how vertiginous the changes.
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Through both phases of the contemporary hipster, and no matter where he identifies himself on the knowingness spectrum, there exists a common element essential to his identity, and that is his relationship to consumption. The hipster, in this framework, is continuous with a cultural type identified in the nineties by the social critic Thomas Frank, who traced it back to Madison Avenue’s absorption of a countercultural ethos in the late sixties. This type he called the “rebel consumer.”
The rebel consumer is the person who, adopting the rhetoric but not the politics of the counterculture, convinces himself that buying the right mass products individualizes him as transgressive. Purchasing the products of authority is thus reimagined as a defiance of authority. Usually this requires a fantasized censor who doesn’t want you to have cologne, or booze, or cars. But the censor doesn’t exist, of course, and hipster culture is not a counterculture. On the contrary, the neighborhood organization of hipsters—their tight-knit colonies of similar-looking, slouching people—represents not hostility to authority (as among punks or hippies) but a superior community of status where the game of knowing-in-advance can be played with maximum refinement. The hipster is a savant at picking up the tiny changes of rapidly cycling consumer distinction.
I'm 35 and live in NYC, and my reflexive revulsion at the current strain of Brooklyn hipsterism has finally forced me to confront the reality that I am no longer young.
15.Der_K posted on May 30, 2012 at 04:41 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
12: Conversely, I was on a Williamsburg VA tourism website recently and their twitter display was mostly about shows/eateries in NYC.
Williamsburg is often thought of as the hipster (whatever that word means, I don't even know anymore) capital of the world; skinny jeans & beards are often associated with hipster (whatever that word means, I don't even know anymore) dress & culture.
Hipsters can't afford Williamsburg anymore. They've all moved to Bed Stuy.
17.cercle posted on May 30, 2012 at 04:50 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Bed Stuy: Do or Cry
18.Tripon posted on May 30, 2012 at 05:00 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
I thought Hipsters were rich people who act like they're poor but spend their money on stupid #### that only rich people can afford?
19.McCoy posted on May 30, 2012 at 05:04 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
If they aren't hipsters in Willamsburg anymore then I don't know who the hell all those people are down there.
As 16 and 18 demonstrate, the economic status of the hipster is not a fixed thing. The n+1 book is good on this, too. Hipsterism is not determined by economic class, but by one's style of consumerist affiliation with the subculture. Some hipsters indeed can no longer afford Williamsburg, some can.
Williamsburg is also quite large as New York neighborhoods go. It encompasses the Bedford and Metropolitan Ave corridors (super expensive), but also a wide swath of territory where the border with Bushwick used to be, including a southeastern area which is still pretty dangerous at night, a northern area that borders Greenpoint, and the still very heavily Hasidic / Orthodox Jewish areas of South Williamsburg. (Insofar as hipsters can't afford Williamsburg, they're expanding out to Bushwick and Greenpoint at least as much as to Bed Stuy. Unless they're black.)
So hipsters are reviled by both the mainstream and the middlebrows. They must be the most successful youth culture in quite a few years then, most everything else have been co-opted and smothered by older people.
So hipsters are reviled by both the mainstream and the middlebrows. They must be the most successful youth culture in quite a few years then, most everything else have been co-opted and smothered by older people.
Something that is brought up in the very valuable article MCoA links to and quotes at length in #13 is that hipster culture is, among other things, a form of consumerism most notable for its ability to spot new trends very early. It would be impossible to truly co-opt this sense of hipsterdom because 1.) by the time Des Moines sees what Brooklyn is doing, Brooklyn is doing something else -- the physical culture of hipsterdom is malleable in a way that, say, hippie culture never has been, and so can never be completely aped by an outsider; and 2.) a cultural mode based in large part on consumption is self-co-opting -- it requires industry to sell the products it desires, and its members often either create that industry or work with and for older companies to sell to other members of the culture group. This is all sort of summed up in the idea that the hipster isn't a counter-cultural figure in any sense, unlike most previous youth culture models. He's a different spin on the dominant contemporary consumerist mode of living, as opposed to some alternative to it. Co-option is almost an irrelevance.
I spent the first 18 years of my life living in Brooklyn Heights and my parents would take me to Williamsburg a few Sundays a year for good deals on underwear and sweat socks. Afterward, we would drive over the Williamsburg Bridge to have brunch at Ratner's and grab half-sours and sours from Gus's Pickles.
[The hipster is] a different spin on the dominant contemporary consumerist mode of living, as opposed to some alternative to it. Co-option is almost an irrelevance.
Yup. One of the things I found compelling about the n+1 take on the hipster is the argument that the earlier form of hipsterism (what it calls the "White Hipster") had no chance of ever forming a critical stance toward the dominant culture, while the contemporary (or at least late-00s) "Hipster Primitive" form could make possible something like a counter-culture, even if it really doesn't in practice, for the reasons you lay out.
This is all sort of summed up in the idea that the hipster isn't a counter-cultural figure in any sense, unlike most previous youth culture models. He's a different spin on the dominant contemporary consumerist mode of living, as opposed to some alternative to it.
I must say I found that wholly unconvincing, if it is a sin to be concerned with material goods there are few that can cast any stones, and hipsters doesn't look any worse than Berkeley leftists or any other progressive subculture obsessed with wine, gelato, macbooks and Barcelona chairs.
It's not (necessarily) a sin. This is a descriptive point that can be understood whatever your opinions about contemporary consumerist culture.
The point is, though, that "co-optation" is a word that specifically refers to the interests of a counter-culture being subsumed into the dominant culture, and hipsterism is a culture defined greatly by its consumer activity, and as such not open to co-optation.
hipsters doesn't look any worse than Berkeley leftists or any other progressive subculture obsessed with wine, gelato, macbooks and Barcelona chairs.
Insofar as those cultures are defined by what they buy, they aren't counter-cultural or open to co-optation either.
Williamsburg looks like the set of a 70's porn movie, especially during the summer.
31.tshipman posted on May 30, 2012 at 08:08 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Hipsterism is incredibly shallow and depressing to me. Really? You're going to spend all that time and energy to appear to be one thing, while secretly believing yourself to be something else? What a waste of time.
As a fan of skinny jeans, allow me to say that wearing jeans that actually fit is quite enjoyable.
501's fit. Skinny jeans are not 501's, and they look ridiculous.
In culture, the Hipster Primitive moment recovered the sound and symbols of pastoral innocence with an irony so fused into the artworks it was no longer visible. Music led the artistry of this phase, and the period’s flagship publication, the record-review website and tastemaker Pitchfork, picked up as Vice declined. Here are the names of some significant bands, post-2004: Grizzly Bear, Neon Indian, Deerhunter, Fleet Foxes, Department of Eagles, Wolf Parade, Band of Horses, and, most centrally, Animal Collective. (On the electronic-primitive side, LCD Soundsystem.)
To me this is a good summary of "canonical" hipster music that is identifiably different from old-school indie or alt rock. I wonder if it's Repoz' nightmare fuel.
Something like this Cyclones promotion is obviously geared towards making fun of the hipster clichés. But it's possible a genuine hipster might attend and run around the bases - ironically.
Levi's "skinny" jeans are actually pretty normal looking. I'm not a fan of the skin-tight jeans, but a slimmer cut just looks better and cleaner than "regular" jeans with tons of extra fabric.
35.baudib posted on May 31, 2012 at 02:24 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
Where I live in Brooklyn there's nothing to do but I'm scared of going to Williamsburg.
Hipsterism is incredibly shallow and depressing to me. Really? You're going to spend all that time and energy to appear to be one thing, while secretly believing yourself to be something else? What a waste of time.
I think most are pretty harmless. People on this site seem to assume that hipsters always have a sneering, haughty attitude. I've never found that to be the case. Sure, the fellow in the photo that I linked in #1 might have difficulty explaining why he chose to grow a mullet, or why he owns the ugliest possible pair of glasses, but anyone playing dodgeball while wearing an adult diaper probably isn't taking himself too seriously.
37.Flynn posted on May 31, 2012 at 06:59 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
Hipsters are pretty harmless. Unfortunately, that's not really a good thing. It's a movement obsessed with its own childhood and it's insular.
I enjoy some of the fashion and the music, but it feels shallow because there's not a whole lot hipsters stand for. Most of the protest movement over war, the financial crisis, whatever, or what's left of it these days, is still led by hippies and punks. Hipsters are pretty absent, and some of the touchstones for protest, like music, have literally nothing to say (since many bands play around with their vocals, distorting or obscuring them into nothingness).
I was slightly worried in that I didn't realize hipsters these days wore flannel and grew beards - both of which I do in spades. Though I've been doing both for years because of my long-time allegiance to an ancient form of hipsterism, "grunge", and because I've had a full beard since I was about 13 and it's such a hassle to shave every day respectively. However, luckily I've never worn jeans in my life, so I'm safe I think.
39.Repoz posted on May 31, 2012 at 09:05 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
Hipster Cop is still a phony with shitta' musical taste.
Are the Cyclones no longer selling out their games?
41.JJ1986 posted on May 31, 2012 at 09:36 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
Grizzly Bear, Neon Indian, Deerhunter, Fleet Foxes, Department of Eagles, Wolf Parade, Band of Horses, and, most centrally, Animal Collective. (On the electronic-primitive side, LCD Soundsystem.)
Some of these bands are incredibly mainstream. I've heard Band of Horses on top 40 radio.
501's are pretty much the only clothing item that is worth paying a decent price for, and I usually have 3-4 pairs at any given time. I get mine at my Co-op (membership based, locally-focused supermarket/dept. store) for $30-40 on sale, and they are worth it. I buy 90% of my other clothing used.
I have no idea who makes it (other than the fact that it was made in China) but I have a shirt that an ex-girlfriend got me from the Sears outlet store about eleven years ago that looks identical to how it was when I first bought it. It's wrinkle-resistant too!
I have no idea which sweat-shop child labourer made that shirt, but I feel like shaking his/her hand.
Some of these bands are incredibly mainstream. I've heard Band of Horses on top 40 radio.
Yes, but hipsters can claim credit for making them popular in the first place, or at least getting them noticed enough so they had an opportunity to become popular.
46.zenbitz posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:41 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
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1 2 3 >The journey though irony, pseudo-irony, post-irony, post-post-irony, non-irony, fetishism, and historical and cultural appropriation that the moustache has traveled over the last 15 years has been bewildering. Every time I see a dude with a 'stache I want to ask him, "Do you mean it? If so, how?"
As a full-fledged disciple of Smitty*, allow me to say...
Okay, I give up. What's the connection between Williamsburg and skinny jeans or beards?
Williamsburg is often thought of as the hipster (whatever that word means, I don't even know anymore) capital of the world; skinny jeans & beards are often associated with hipster (whatever that word means, I don't even know anymore) dress & culture.
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Hipsters can't afford Williamsburg anymore. They've all moved to Bed Stuy.
Williamsburg is also quite large as New York neighborhoods go. It encompasses the Bedford and Metropolitan Ave corridors (super expensive), but also a wide swath of territory where the border with Bushwick used to be, including a southeastern area which is still pretty dangerous at night, a northern area that borders Greenpoint, and the still very heavily Hasidic / Orthodox Jewish areas of South Williamsburg. (Insofar as hipsters can't afford Williamsburg, they're expanding out to Bushwick and Greenpoint at least as much as to Bed Stuy. Unless they're black.)
Yes, but she lives in Soho.
Something that is brought up in the very valuable article MCoA links to and quotes at length in #13 is that hipster culture is, among other things, a form of consumerism most notable for its ability to spot new trends very early. It would be impossible to truly co-opt this sense of hipsterdom because 1.) by the time Des Moines sees what Brooklyn is doing, Brooklyn is doing something else -- the physical culture of hipsterdom is malleable in a way that, say, hippie culture never has been, and so can never be completely aped by an outsider; and 2.) a cultural mode based in large part on consumption is self-co-opting -- it requires industry to sell the products it desires, and its members often either create that industry or work with and for older companies to sell to other members of the culture group. This is all sort of summed up in the idea that the hipster isn't a counter-cultural figure in any sense, unlike most previous youth culture models. He's a different spin on the dominant contemporary consumerist mode of living, as opposed to some alternative to it. Co-option is almost an irrelevance.
I must say I found that wholly unconvincing, if it is a sin to be concerned with material goods there are few that can cast any stones, and hipsters doesn't look any worse than Berkeley leftists or any other progressive subculture obsessed with wine, gelato, macbooks and Barcelona chairs.
The point is, though, that "co-optation" is a word that specifically refers to the interests of a counter-culture being subsumed into the dominant culture, and hipsterism is a culture defined greatly by its consumer activity, and as such not open to co-optation.
Insofar as those cultures are defined by what they buy, they aren't counter-cultural or open to co-optation either.
501's fit. Skinny jeans are not 501's, and they look ridiculous.
I am old.
To me this is a good summary of "canonical" hipster music that is identifiably different from old-school indie or alt rock. I wonder if it's Repoz' nightmare fuel.
Something like this Cyclones promotion is obviously geared towards making fun of the hipster clichés. But it's possible a genuine hipster might attend and run around the bases - ironically.
I think most are pretty harmless. People on this site seem to assume that hipsters always have a sneering, haughty attitude. I've never found that to be the case. Sure, the fellow in the photo that I linked in #1 might have difficulty explaining why he chose to grow a mullet, or why he owns the ugliest possible pair of glasses, but anyone playing dodgeball while wearing an adult diaper probably isn't taking himself too seriously.
I enjoy some of the fashion and the music, but it feels shallow because there's not a whole lot hipsters stand for. Most of the protest movement over war, the financial crisis, whatever, or what's left of it these days, is still led by hippies and punks. Hipsters are pretty absent, and some of the touchstones for protest, like music, have literally nothing to say (since many bands play around with their vocals, distorting or obscuring them into nothingness).
I was slightly worried in that I didn't realize hipsters these days wore flannel and grew beards - both of which I do in spades. Though I've been doing both for years because of my long-time allegiance to an ancient form of hipsterism, "grunge", and because I've had a full beard since I was about 13 and it's such a hassle to shave every day respectively. However, luckily I've never worn jeans in my life, so I'm safe I think.
There, I said it.
Some of these bands are incredibly mainstream. I've heard Band of Horses on top 40 radio.
I have no idea which sweat-shop child labourer made that shirt, but I feel like shaking his/her hand.
Is that a problem? I don't really stand for anything.
I've always associated hipsters primarily with reclaimed bad music. Hall and Oates, Bob Seger, and such.
Yes, but hipsters can claim credit for making them popular in the first place, or at least getting them noticed enough so they had an opportunity to become popular.
People have reclaimed Bob Seger?! Huh?
To be fair, most of them thought they were going to a Bob Saget show.
A hipster argument would be that Bob Saget is underrated. After all, he is an Academy Award winner and directed the should-be classic Dirty Work.
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