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    posted 1 week ago by Mike Emeigh to draft, minor leagues, prospects  |  120 comment(s)

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    1. Gonna break my Rusty Kuntz and run . . . Arbitol posted on July 02, 2012 at 04:19 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    13) Zack Wheeler, RHP, New York Mets (36)


    Though he's been clobbered a bit lately.
    2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) posted on July 02, 2012 at 04:43 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    From the comments:

    In the top 120:

    KC 7
    STL 7
    BOS 7
    TOR 7
    TEX 6
    SEA 6
    PIT 6
    SD 6
    ARI 5
    NYM 5
    CIN 5
    OAK 5
    COL 4
    MIA 4
    NYY 4
    TB 4
    LAA 4
    BAL 3
    MIN 3
    ATL 3
    CHC 3
    WAS 3
    HOU 3
    DET 2
    LAD 2
    PHI 2
    SF 2
    CLE 1
    MIL 1
    CHW 0


    Go Kenny Williams!
    3. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora posted on July 02, 2012 at 04:48 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I'm surprised that Miller dropped more than Teheran... actually I;m not surprised that Miller dropped so much- I am surprised that Teheran is still in the top 50...

    I'm also puzzled as to why Taillon has moved up so much
    4. Matt Clement of Alexandria posted on July 02, 2012 at 04:49 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    16->10 is just treading water while the top prospects graduate to the majors, isn't it? I've heard Taillon's velocity in A-ball has been very impressive, but overall it seems like he's in the same place he used to be.
    5. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on July 02, 2012 at 04:54 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    50) Jedd Gyorko, 3B, San Diego Padres (50)

    Even steven.

    Biggest jump / most generic name:
    39) Jose Fernandez, RHP, Miami Marlins (previously Honorable Mention)

    Biggest fall:
    101) Cheslor Cuthbert, 3B, Kansas City Royals (39)

    What has happened to the pride of Big Corn Island?
    6. Der_K posted on July 02, 2012 at 05:00 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    4: Treading water's not so bad. Sure guys graduate, but there's also the potential for guys to join the list who were previously ineligible (as they weren't in pro ball yet).
    7. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora posted on July 02, 2012 at 05:04 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Biggest fall:
    101) Cheslor Cuthbert, 3B, Kansas City Royals (39)

    What has happened to the pride of Big Corn Island?


    I think Sickels had him rated much higher than anyone else to begin with, he really didn't play all that well in 2011, and he's really struggling this year, he's still only 19, but perhaps A+ is too advanced for where he's at yet.
    8. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora posted on July 02, 2012 at 05:07 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Biggest jump / most generic name:
    39) Jose Fernandez, RHP, Miami Marlins (previously Honorable Mention)


    well going from 62 to 9 would seem to be a bigger jump- #200 should be closer to #100 than #50 is to #10 and all.
    9. Matt Clement of Alexandria posted on July 02, 2012 at 05:23 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The top gainer by that logic is either Taveras (62->9) or Andrelton Simmons (76->14).

    By the pure-subtraction approach, Fernandez is beaten by Jackie Bradley, Jr., up to #36 from being unranked and unmentioned in the offseason list.
    10. Matt Clement of Alexandria posted on July 02, 2012 at 06:00 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    One guy I was wondering about was Taijuan Walker. It's impressive he's striking people out in AA as a 19-year-old, and I've heard both his fastball and curveball called plus pitches, but his actual numbers in AA don't scream top-10 prospect to me - he has a 4.41 ERA, and he's walked 30 against his 67 Ks in 65 innings, with 63 hits allowed.
    11. esseff posted on July 02, 2012 at 06:01 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Excited about Taveras (a.k.a., "Minor League Guy"), who's tearing it up in Double-A, although he did turn a ripe old 20 two weeks ago.
    12. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) posted on July 02, 2012 at 08:06 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Seattle @ #6. Nice.
    13. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong posted on July 02, 2012 at 08:28 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    How do the Cards, Red Sox, Rangers and Blue Jays do so well when they don't draft at the top of the draft? They must be very good at their jobs.


    The top gainer by that logic is either Taveras (62->9) or Andrelton Simmons (76->14).

    Or it could be Profar moving from #5 to #1
    14. TomH posted on July 02, 2012 at 09:05 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Profar's climb to #1 is based mostly on Harper/Trout/Moore going to MLB.

    Sickels says that in August he will incorp the June draftees.
    15. Greg (U)K posted on July 02, 2012 at 09:11 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    How do the Cards, Red Sox, Rangers and Blue Jays do so well when they don't draft at the top of the draft? They must be very good at their jobs.

    The last couple drafts the Jays have had about 65 of the first 69 picks (possibly an exaggeration). Though they've also failed to sign their first round picks a couple times recently.
    16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) posted on July 02, 2012 at 10:02 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0


    How do the Cards, Red Sox, Rangers and Blue Jays do so well when they don't draft at the top of the draft? They must be very good at their job.


    If I was hired to run a MLB team I would raid the Cards minor league development people. Their farm system has been lowly rated for a decade now (only lately has it started to get pub as a good sytem), yet they have been producing useful homegrown players for years now. And they get prospects that seem to come out of nowhere.

    As for the Red Sox, Rangers, and Jays, they've been gaming the free agent comp system the last couple years, so they've had way more draft picks in the first three rounds than most other clubs.
    17. Matt Clement of Alexandria posted on July 02, 2012 at 10:32 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Red Sox player development under Epstein was arguably the best in baseball over his tenure. That he left a strong system behind is not surprising.
    18. Spivey posted on July 02, 2012 at 10:32 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    As for the Red Sox, Rangers, and Jays, they've been gaming the free agent comp system the last couple years, so they've had way more draft picks in the first three rounds than most other clubs.


    The Rangers and Red Sox have also spent a ton of money on international signings. And I know the Rangers, and likely the other two teams, have spent a lot above slot. To give credit where credit is due, the Rangers have done a good job of developing talent.
    19. Tripon posted on July 02, 2012 at 10:38 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The Rangers and Red Sox also spent over $200 million combined in the posting system.
    20. Ziggy posted on July 03, 2012 at 12:06 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Does anyone have any idea on Billy Hamilton's timeline, and projected role? The Reds have been taking him a step at a time through the minors, which makes me think that at 21 he might still be a long way away. Also, is he supposed to supplant Zach Cozart at SS, or is he destined to a super-utility role?
    21. Der_K posted on July 03, 2012 at 12:34 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Smart money has him moving to cf in time, reds don't yet agree. No one, I think, sees him on a utility track as of yet
    22. Mark Edward posted on July 03, 2012 at 02:03 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Go Kenny Williams!


    First place!

    But seriously, the major league roster has arguably the best young starting pitcher in baseball (Sale), several productive rookie relievers (Jones, Reed), a 23-year old left fielder holding his own (Viciedo), and a 28-year old center fielder with a .360 OBP. 23-year old Jose Quintana has a 195 ERA+ in 50 major league innings. Dylan Axelrod is probably a league average starter.

    Several Sox farmhands should've made this list. Tyler Saladino is a 22-year old playing well in AA. His slash stats don't look great at first glance (.239/.372/.328) but he's being hammered by his home park- he's hitting .280/.430/.424 on the road. Simon Castro pitched well in AA and was recently promoted to Charlotte. 17-year old Jefferson Olacio was not embarrassed in Kannapolis and is now pitching well in Bristol. Carlos Sanchez just turned 20 and is hitting .317/.375/.399 in high-A ball- and he can play SS. It looks like Sickels didn't include 2012 draft picks in the list but most folks seem impressed with Sox first round pick Courtney Hawkins and Keon Barnum's got some positive press too.
    23. esseff posted on July 03, 2012 at 02:07 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    If I was hired to run a MLB team I would raid the Cards minor league development people.


    Too late. The Astros already got the big fish.
    24. Dr. Vaux posted on July 03, 2012 at 03:48 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Yeah, I'd have been temped to fire Mozeliak and make Luhnow the GM in order to keep him.
    25. Boxkutter posted on July 03, 2012 at 04:17 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The last couple drafts the Jays have had about 65 of the first 69 picks (possibly an exaggeration). Though they've also failed to sign their first round picks a couple times recently.

    I know they failed to sign their first rounder last year. Off the top of my head, I am not sure about other years. What they have done though is figure out what the Twins do... and do the exact opposite. They draft almost exclusively high-upside types of players. If you draft 20 boom or bust kids, and 5 of them boom, then you have 5 players in the Top 50 prospects. If you draft 20 lower ceiling, higher floors kids, and 15 reach that lower ceiling... maybe a couple make the Top 100 prospects.
    26. Howie Menckel posted on July 03, 2012 at 07:21 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0


    I think Hamilton is talked about for CF down the road.
    video-game SB totals aside, he's still raw I think.
    27. Greg (U)K posted on July 03, 2012 at 07:34 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I know they failed to sign their first rounder last year. Off the top of my head, I am not sure about other years.

    2011: Tyler Beede (1st Jays pick - 21st overall)
    2009: James Paxton (2nd Jays pick - 37th overall)
    2009: Jake Eliopoulos (3rd Jays pick - 68th overall)

    So not all first round picks, but when your strategy is to stockpile compensation picks, it's a bit annoying when you don't sign them.
    28. Justin T is expanding the aperture of awareness posted on July 03, 2012 at 08:14 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I got to see Profar play last night. There isn't one thing that he did that really stuck out as something to talk about here, but he's definitely good.
    29. just plain joe posted on July 03, 2012 at 08:43 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I think Hamilton is talked about for CF down the road.
    video-game SB totals aside, he's still raw I think.


    CF is probably Hamilton's likely position in MLB. A friend of mine who is a Reds' fan says his work at SS reminds him of Bill Russell, only not as good.
    30. Pops Freshenmeyer posted on July 03, 2012 at 09:34 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    So what's Profar's future in Texas? It seems premature to trade away a young and productive guy like Andrus to clear way for an unproven commodity but how else does Profar get time to make himself a proven MLB commodity?
    31. The Good Face posted on July 03, 2012 at 09:51 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    So what's Profar's future in Texas? It seems premature to trade away a young and productive guy like Andrus to clear way for an unproven commodity but how else does Profar get time to make himself a proven MLB commodity?


    There have been rumors about Kinsler moving to the OF and putting some combination of Andrus/Profar in the middle. Not really sure if Kinsler has the bat to be a real asset in the OF, but that's what I've heard.
    32. Matt Clement of Alexandria posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:00 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I can't imagine a club would risk a Profar-level elite prospect at second base, so that leaves Andrus to 2B. That'd be a crazy defense. Andrus doesn't feel like a second baseman to me, but that's not really based on anything. He'd probably be awesome there.

    The other option, other than a trade, would be moving Profar to the outfield to start his career. His bat looks like it'll play anywhere, and that would give the Rangers flexibility to figure out how to handle their depth in the meantime.
    33. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama  posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:07 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Open question, if you were Texas ouldja trade Profar and somebody interesting for a Cole Hamels rental?
    34. Pops Freshenmeyer posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:12 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I figured OF was Olt's future. Maybe Kinsler can handle CF and there will be room for Profar and Olt on the roster.
    35. Matt Clement of Alexandria posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:15 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Open question, if you were Texas ouldja trade Profar and somebody interesting for a Cole Hamels rental?
    Profar and somebody interesting for a three-month rental? Crazy talk. The Rangers can get Hamels without moving Profar, if they're interested. The Phillies are unlikely to get a top 20 prospect, let alone a top 1 prospect, for Hamels.
    36. Pops Freshenmeyer posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:19 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Yeah, and the other issue is that the Rangers wouldn't even get draft compensation on the back end. I would guess half season rentals are going to get cheaper to acquire.
    37. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama  posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:26 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    MCoA, former WS MVP to the 2-time WS losers? That's a tasty nugget to dangle in front of the Rangers eyes.

    The no compensation thing will change the equation, no doubt. That's why I figured 2 players rather than the previous 3 or 4 that a player of this ilk would command.

    Profar is one (respected) guy's #1 prospect, but that is no guarantee. The Phils still have former #1 Dom Brown stuck on the DL in AAA.
    38. The Good Face posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:26 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I can't imagine a club would risk a Profar-level elite prospect at second base, so that leaves Andrus to 2B. That'd be a crazy defense. Andrus doesn't feel like a second baseman to me, but that's not really based on anything. He'd probably be awesome there.


    Well, depending on whose defensive stats you use, Andrus may already be a ~5 WAR player at SS and he's going to be 24 next year. I can see an argument for not messing with a player that valuable and putting Profar at 2B instead. It's a good problem to have, but it'll be interesting to see how the Rangers handle it, especially if Hamilton leaves after this season, which would open up CF.

    Open question, if you were Texas ouldja trade Profar and somebody interesting for a Cole Hamels rental?


    Zero chance Texas trades Profar for a rental.

    39. Matt Clement of Alexandria posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:28 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The new CBA rules on free agent compensation does create an interesting bit of asymmetry. The Phillies would effectively be trading away draft pick compensation, but the other club wouldn't "receive" draft compensation. I don't really have a guess as to how that's going to affect things - it should in theory lower the frequency of trades of stars at the deadline.
    40. zack posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:30 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    #37 is batshit crazy. No offense.
    41. Justin T is expanding the aperture of awareness posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:30 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Come on, Edmundo, bear down.
    42. Matt Clement of Alexandria posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:31 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Well, depending on whose defensive stats you use, Andrus may already be a ~5 WAR player at SS and he's going to be 24 next year. I can see an argument for not messing with a player that valuable and putting Profar at 2B instead.
    I don't really see it. That's a case for putting one of them in the outfield, or trading one of them. Second base is a meat grinder, especially for a guy who hasn't played it before.
    MCoA, former WS MVP to the 2-time WS losers? That's a tasty nugget to dangle in front of the Rangers eyes.
    Nope. You need to lower your expectations. #1 prospects do not get dealt for rentals in contemporary baseball. It just does. not. happen.
    43. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:36 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Was Carlos Santana a #1 prospect?
    44. Spivey posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:37 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Where the Rangers are at - 2 all-star middle infielders - Profar doesn't need to be pushed. He still needs to work on his errors/defense, which is expected for a guy his age. So I think him finishing this year in AA and starting next year in AAA makes sense. Then I think they'll have a better idea of what needs to be done. One thing I'd be itnerested in is, if Andrus keeps playing like this over the next year, considering moving Beltre to 1B and Profar to 3B. There's also going to be a lot of infield plate appearances that will need to go somewhere after they hopefully don't resign Michael Young after next year. I think these things tend to work themselves out, so I don't want the Rangers doing anything crazy.
    45. The Good Face posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:38 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I don't really see it. That's a case for putting one of them in the outfield, or trading one of them. Second base is a meat grinder, especially for a guy who hasn't played it before.


    Also, Andrus' contract situation is a point in favor of moving him instead of Profar. He'll be a FA after 2014 I think, and while guys who provide a lot of defensive value tend to be underpaid in FA compared to big bats, his youth and durability (assuming he stays durable) will put him in demand. The more I think about it, the more I lean towards moving Andrus, although it's a bit of a reach to assume Profar will be MLB ready by spring training.
    46. Matt Clement of Alexandria posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:40 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Was Carlos Santana a #1 prospect?
    No "a #1 prospect." The #1 prospect. A club whose best prospect is #30 or #50 might well trade their #1 for a rental. Santana didn't even make the BA Top 100 in 2008 - my guess is that his breakout season would have bumped him up into the 30-60 range at midseason. He rated #26 after 2008.
    47. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:40 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Andrus is signed through 2014.

    Profar probably wouldn't be a regular until 2014.

    The Rangers best course of action may well be to just let Profar come up as a utility man in 2014, get him his at bats and if they are comfortable with him and Kinsler as their middle infield just letting Andrus walk for the 2015 season. "Worst" case they decide to do some arrangement with 2B/SS/OF among the three players if they choose to keep them. There is no reason for the Rangers to rush any decision on this.

    And I agree with MCoA, there is zero chance that Profar himself would be moved for Hamels, let alone with "somebody interesting."
    48. Never Give an Inge (Dave) posted on July 03, 2012 at 10:54 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Zach Wheeler went from #35 to #13. Not a bad return for half a season of Carlos Beltran. Didn't realize he had only given up 1 HR in 85 IP at AA this year.

    EDIT: Didn't see the posts on Hamels but the Beltran-Wheeler trade is instructive. Wheeler was the #55 prospect before 2011 and the #35 prospect afterwards. There were no other players included and the Mets paid Beltran's salary IIRC. That was considered a very good return for the Mets, and with the change in compensation rules, the Phillies should probably expect to get back less for Hamels.
    49. formerly dp posted on July 03, 2012 at 11:00 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Zach Wheeler went from #35 to #13. Not a bad return for half a season of Carlos Beltran. Didn't realize he had only given up 1 HR in 85 IP at AA this year.

    Not as significant, but Flores went from an Honorable Mention to #76. Sickels has him as a 3B; don't know if the move to 2B moves him up at all.
    50. Der_K posted on July 03, 2012 at 11:02 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Not to pile on but ... that was pretty silly, Edmundo.

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