Tuesday, May 21, 2013
WaPo | Ryan Mattheus breaks throwing hand punching a locker, adds to bullpen disarray
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posted 3 days ago by Coot Veal and Cot Deal make $486 every day to dumbness, nationals
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The disarray in the Nationals’ bullpen reached a bizarre and self-inflicted new height Monday night. After the Nationals’ 8-0 loss to the Giants, Manager Davey Johnson revealed that set-up man Ryan Mattheus had broken his right hand Sunday when he punched his locker after a dreadful performance, landing him on the disabled list and leaving the Nationals scrambling for fresh arms.
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1 2 3 4 >Good luck hitting in Safeco, Mikey.
EDIT: Apparently Esoteric and I have differing thoughts on Jaso's worth.
Not really.
I'm surprised they would dump a pitching prospect, too. Very un-A's like these days. I really don't get this from the M's POV since they already acquired Morales. Looks like another Sounders summer in Seattle.
On June 15, 1982, the Phils traded Dick Davis to the Blue Jays for Wayne Nordhagen, who was passed to the Pirates for Bill Robinson. To thicken the plot, I think Nordhagen turned out to be injured, so the Blue Jays sent Davis to Pittsburgh on June 22, and the Pirates completed the deal by sending Nordhagen back to the Blue Jays on the 25th.
Edit: all three players were out of the majors by the middle of 1983.
Kottaras has been DFA'd to make room on the 40-man.
I wonder if the Yankees would have any interest?
I would expect Morse to outhit Jaso next season, there's little reason to expect Jaso to reach those heights again. As for his defense behind the plate he worked hard and improved it to acceptably below-average in 2010 but seemed to completely lose those gains in 2011 and was crap. I believe that's why the Rays gave up on him.
Cole's going to the Indians for Swisher next winter. Then the Indians will trade Cole to the Nats for Gio.
Jaso has a career 125 wRC+ (116 overall) vs. RHP in 897 PAs. That's really good for a C.
He doesn't need to repeat the 143 wRC+ to be really valuable, especially if you platoon his aggressively.
Jaso's underrated, but having watched a lot of him at Durham I think (a) he's quite a bit worse as a catcher than the guys at USS Mariner seem to think and (b) he really can't hit LHP. Kottaras is a worse hitter, though, and a not-much-better catcher, so this works out OK for the A's.
-- MWE
Morse has a career 127 wRC+ vs 116 for Jaso. Comparing a DH (or butcher at 1B or in LF) to a C, that is not a more talented hitter.
Add in that Jaso is Arb 1 (controlled through 2015) and Morse is a FA after 2013, making $7M, and it isn't really close.
Jaso has much, much more value. And, since Seattle isn't a contender, the deal makes no sense.
Yeah that's exactly what he is. The Mariners can use the DH, or put him at 1st or in the OF. They have Montero to catch.
They already got Morales to DH, and they don't like Montero at C. A team with Jaso at C and Morales at DH is better than a team with Morse at DH and Montero at C.
And again, Morse is gone after 2013. Jaso is controlled through 2015.
Can you blame them? He can actually hit the ball out of the infield. That makes him the greatest Ms hitter of the 2010s.
This looks a bit worse for Seattle anyway. Morse is a year away from FA and costs $6.5 this year. Jaso has 3 arb years left and given he's never had more than 400 PA, those are gonna be pretty cheap. I can see Morse for Jaso straight up but not 1 kinda expensive year of Morse for 3 years of Jaso. At least this is a "should be DH" for "should be DH" swap which maintains the Ms "should be DH" count at 19.
I've got no idea on the "prospects" but three "prospects" for Jaso still seems too much. Also he's a "big name" A's acquisition which guarantees he'll be hitting 150/180/135 through May.
Meanwhile the Nats don't seem to have gotten anything that will help them this year. Unless he was gonna groan about it, holding onto Morse was probably their best option.
So, finally a trade that everybody loses. :-)
Take on me
Take me on
I'll be gone
In a day or two
It will make me sad to miss this. One of my favorite moments of the year was going late in the season after having been overseas for a bit and hearing the crowd erupt into that song instead of the little trickles of people you would hear earlier in the year. A real "this fan base has arrived" moment.
Usually, when a deal is made for a PTBNL at this time of year it's either because the player can't be traded (as in the case of a prior June draftee, as noted) or because you can't quite come to a final agreement on a specific player. Usually in the latter case the team giving up the PTBNL will put together a list and the team receiving the PTBNL has time to evaluate the players on the list (up to six months) before they select one.
-- MWE
Are they completely giving up on Smoak?
Playing Ibanez, Morales and Morse (all of whom are FA after 2013) and burying Smoak seems really short-sighted.
EDIT: Looks like it was Rob Ducey and it wasn't exactly Ducey-for-Ducey. His baseball-reference transaction list is still pretty funny:
July 26, 2000: Traded by the Philadelphia Phillies to the Toronto Blue Jays for a player to be named later. The Toronto Blue Jays sent John Sneed (minors) (July 31, 2000) to the Philadelphia Phillies to complete the trade.
August 7, 2000: the Toronto Blue Jays sent Rob Ducey to the Philadelphia Phillies to complete an earlier deal made on August 5, 2000. August 5, 2000: The Toronto Blue Jays sent a player to be named later to the Philadelphia Phillies for Mickey Morandini.
edit to add a Coke for Snapper.
Morse was quoted a few days ago as saying he absolutely, positively does NOT want to DH. The only groaning from him was that he wanted to stay in D.C. and looking at his transition in this trade I can't say that I blame him.
No, the PTBNL was Rob Ducey, who had been sent by the Phillies to the Jays two weeks earlier.
In 1982, there was this sequence of deals in a 10-day span in June:
1. Blue Jays trade Wayne Nordhagen to Phillies for Dick Davis.
2. Phillies turn around immediately and trade Nordhagen to Pirates for Bill Robinson (who had been acquired by the Pirates several years earlier from the Phillies).
3. Pirates acquire Dick Davis from Blue Jays for PTBNL. Three days later, the Pirates send Nordhagen to the Blue Jays as the PTBNL.
Nordhagen got into exactly one game with the Pirates. Davis made three appearances with the Jays.
-- MWE
Harry Chiti was traded by the Mets to the Indians in April 1962. When the Tribe and Mets couldn't agree on appropriate compensation, Chiti was returned to New York. This deal has been variously reported as a case where a player was "traded for himself", but that actually wasn't the intent.
-- MWE
Didn't they also engage in "loan" trades of minor leaguers, to get them more PT?
Ya think???
edit: Michael Morse as Mariners shortstop. Discuss.
He was traded to the Detroit Tigers on July 22 for future considerations... On November 10, 2005, the Tigers sent him back to the Toronto Blue Jays for cash considerations, in effect completing the earlier trade by trading John McDonald for himself. The only other player to be traded for "himself" in this manner was Harry Chiti in 1962.
Over the last 3 years, his BR WAR has him being -14 runs and -18 position modifier in 346 games. That's about -14 runs/150 G. Since SS is about +7.5 runs, a quick estimate puts him at about -21 runs at SS. Factor in some unfamilarity, and more opportunities, and -25 to -30 is a better (and conservative) estimate.
So, worse than any real SS, but not Frank Thomas bad.
then again, everyone's bat gets Pedro Cerrano Disease the minnit they get to seattle don't ask me why
Can someone explain this to me? A-ha is a thing in some MLB stadium?
I was at a Mets game in the LF bleachers when Morse was in LF a few years ago. Dude is as big as an oak tree.
Wayne Nordhagen had a back injury (which would end his career the following year), so the last leg of the trade was returning damaged goods.
He was well-traveled in '82-'83. The Jays got him from the Sox at the end of March '82 for Aurelio Rodriguez, and after he finished the season with the Jays, he signed on with the Cubs.
It's taken them a bit longer than expected to figure out that "next great innovation" in player evaluation, hasn't it? Then again, "players should be good at defense" was a major breakthrough - hard to say where the game would be today without Jack Z.
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