The only pair of brothers with totally unrelated claims to fame I can think of are Doug Fieger, the frontman of The Knack, and Geoff Fieger, famous crazy defense lawyer. But they are both equally atrocious.

The former is now dead.

What about William and James "Whitey" Bulger?

The only pair of brothers with totally unrelated claims to fame I can think of are Doug Fieger, the frontman of The Knack, and Geoff Fieger, famous crazy defense lawyer. But they are both equally atrocious.

Actor Robert Patrick (Terminator II, X-Files, etc.) is the brother of Richard Patrick, who was for a time part of Nine Inch Nails and fronted his own band, Filter.

Aaron Pointer, who had a mediocre MLB career, and later went on to bwecome an NFL official, is the brother of Ruth, Bonnie, June, and Anita Pointer, who found much more succwess in their field as The Pointer Sisters.

From that link above on famous siblings, I had no idea Albert Brooks and Super Dave Osborne were brothers. That is all kinds of awesome.

Stand-up comedian (and Parks & Rec writer) Chelsea Peretti is the sister of Buzzfeed/Huffington Post co-founder Jonah Peretti.

Ashlee and Nicole Simpson. One made a horrible fake reality show and the other made horrible fake music.

36. McCoy Posted: June 25, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4165709)
That should read Jessica Simpson.

Hey, hey, let's be fair now--they BOTH made horrible fake music.

I don't know if I'm remembering it right but I knew the sister of the guy who bought Dick Clark productions and also I believe was involved in the Batman movies. He did all that and his sister was a lousy alcoholic lawyer that tended to crash into telephone poles.

And again, play any Diamond Mind type of game, and you'll see the same sequences of blown leads or blown saves or what not.

1. DM used to have a "clutch" setting you could turn on or off. (Maybe still does)

2. This is easy and means nothing. All DM is doing is reproducing the empirically observed distribution. You don't need to identify the source of the variation to be able to recreate it at a sufficiently aggregate level. Monopoly can produce tycoons and paupers through a mostly random process too, that doesn't make it a good model of the economy.

3. You can't use DM for things like this. For example, you can't use DM to test a theory that modern bullpens would be better if the multi-inning fireman role returned because no current relievers are used that way and DM will have them tire rapidly after 5 batters or so. You could change their durability ratings but that's just assuming what you're trying to prove.

For all we know, half of all blown saves are due to "choking." For all we know, that good set-up guy doesn't have the mental makeup to be a good closer and that, not random variation, is why he specifically sucked in his 10 save chances.

With large enough samples, you could start looking for individual effects (i.e. the same guy choking year after year) but few players get large enough samples and that's based on past performance such that only good, generally non-choking players are going to reach that point anyway (selection bias).

As the data gets more detailed (mainly pitch/FX, etc.), we are getting closer to being able to measure individual behavior. But sabermetrics remains mainly actuarial in its statistical approach. The projection systems offer virtually no insight into who will improve/decline from year-to-year but instead apply aggregate aging models and such. That might be reality but likely isn't. That might be a good approximation to reality (I think it probably is). Or it could be missing lots of relevant factors that are (currently) unmeasured.

Hey, hey, let's be fair now--they BOTH made horrible fake music

And I think they both had horrible fake reality shows. The only real difference is one of them obviously had tons of plastic surgery and the other didn't (unless they had a different biological mom or dad).

the Bennets, william and Robert I think. Ones an attorney the other is a moralist of some sort.


Dwight Eisenhower and Milton. Milton had a number of jobs in US govt and I think was pres. of Kansas st.

my brother had a soul

does that count for something?

Dwight Eisenhower and Milton. Milton had a number of jobs in US govt and I think was pres. of Kansas st.

There's a famous joke at columbia that the trustees said in the late 40's "we need Eisenhower!," and someone accidentally offered the president's job to Dwight.

The only real difference is one of them obviously had tons of plastic surgery and the other didn't (unless they had a different biological mom or dad).

Which one had the surgeries?

Milton had a number of jobs in US govt and I think was pres. of Kansas st.

Dunno about Kansas St., but I know he was the President of Johns Hopkins. The school's library (i.e. the most important building on campus) is named after him.

Steve and Phil Mahre. Olympic medalists and twins to boot.

As someone who doesn't watch TV - except for A's games - and doesn't really follow hoops, I haven't seen/heard much of Skip Bayless or Mark Cuban. I mean I've heard of them but that's about it. My first impression from watching this interview is that they are both total d-bags. Is Cuban wearing a smurf t-shirt? How cool.

Penn: Sean and Michael

From that link above on famous siblings, I had no idea Albert Brooks and Super Dave Osborne were brothers. That is all kinds of awesome.

i've always wondered what that household was like. i also read somewhere that their father was in showbiz.

albert brooks' father was a radio and movie comedian named harry einstein, so albert brooks real name is ... albert einstein.

The only pair of brothers with totally unrelated claims to fame I can think of are Doug Fieger, the frontman of The Knack, and Geoff Fieger, famous crazy defense lawyer. But they are both equally atrocious.

There are the trio of Emmanuel brothers.

Rahm - mayor of Chicago

Ari - big shot Hollywood agent. Model for a character on a show I've never seen called Entourage

Other One - some high profile doctor of some sort.

The only pair of brothers with totally unrelated claims to fame I can think of are Doug Fieger, the frontman of The Knack, and Geoff Fieger, famous crazy defense lawyer. But they are both equally atrocious.

Michael and Sean Penn.

From that link above on famous siblings, I had no idea Albert Brooks and Super Dave Osborne were brothers. That is all kinds of awesome.

Is that the guy who plays Funkhouser on Curb Your Enthusiasm?

I've always had more scorn for Bayless than any other media figure, even Mariotti. Mariotti's a thug, a bully, the guy who comes up to you on the playground and pushes you into the sand, provided you're small enough. He's simple and easy to understand.

Bayless...Bayless is a malicious, malevolent sort. He's the guy who tells you that Joe thinks you're a jerk, and when you say, "Joe? I hate that ####### guy," he loudly shouts, "Hey, Joe, guess what this guy said about you?" And then he watches the ensuing fight with a really creepy kind of glee.

I'm genuinely not sure whether Bayless believes everything he says, which would make an hateful idiot, or if he's just a really evolved troll. There's probably no difference at this point.

Other One - some high profile doctor of some sort.

Ezekiel. He writes a lot of columns for the Times' website. Incredibly smart fellow. Was dragged into the spotlight during the health care fight when Sarah Palin called his philosophy "basically evil."

Bayless must be a troll. I just find it astonishing that he makes a good living doing what he does. I can't watch him - instant channel change.

Is that the guy who plays Funkhouser on Curb Your Enthusiasm?

Yes. After reading this thread I feel like such a schmuck. I'd watch him as Funkhauser on Larry David and say, man Super Dave is an amazing actor. Who knew who could play Jewish so well? D'oh!

jenni lopez sister Lynda won an emmy for her morning news show. Kevin Bacon's brother is somewhat well known songwriter. Then there's Eddie Murphy and Charlie Murphy.

Richard the Lion Hearted and John Lackland.

Fidel and Dennis Castro.

albert brooks' father was a radio and movie comedian named harry einstein, so albert brooks real name is ... albert einstein.

Sometime in the 60s Carl Reiner was on The Tonight Show, and Carson asked who were the two funniest people he knew; Reiner answered, "Mel Brooks and a 12-year-old kid named Albert Einstein."

another good sibling combination: Maceo Parker (saxophonist/James Brown sideman) and Kellis Parker(law professor/civil rights activist)

albert brooks' father was a radio and movie comedian named harry einstein

He performed under the name "Parkyakarkus." It was back in the days when someone whose act was "pretending to talk in Greek" could have a long, prosperous career!

And last year in the Finals, LeBron really did not seem ready to handle the pressure. The Mavs' D was very good, but LeBron seemed like a guy who did not want the ball, either, in the biggest spots.

Sheez, really? Is this Skip Bayless himself writing ridiculous narrative?

Basketball is a team sport like baseball, maybe more so, your team-mates don't get to set you up for easy at bats like a great passer can setup a teammate for a layup or dunk.

Kobe Bryant lives for pressure, he's always ready to take the last shot, in fact he demands it. And because of this eternal ego driven readiness, he almost always refuses to pass the ball to teammates with better opportunities, so he can take often ludicrously horrible shots. And because of that, his clutch time shooting percentage is terrible.

LeBron is great at a diverse set of basketball skills, one of his bet is his passing ability. He will always be the more valuable clutch time performer than a ball hog like Kobe, due to his ability and willingness to find and get the ball to his team-mate with the best opportunity to score.

Ari and Rahm Emmanuel.

Edit: Coke to Dagnabbit

Stan Love was a crummy NBA player. Mike Love was a Beach Boy.

Steve Jobs and novelist Mona Simpson are an interesting pair, although Jobs was adopted by another family.