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‹ First < 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 > Last ›Yeah. I'm not saying he wasn't a great player, because he clearly was. But it's awfully hard to argue that Elway belongs in the discussion for greatest QB of all time, once you start looking at his stats.
To make a baseball analogy, in the ranks of the greatest right fielders of all time, Elway would be a lot closer to Roberto Clemente than he would be to Hank Aaron, not to mention Babe Ruth. But there's no shame in being Roberto Clemente.
No. If David Tyree doesn't make that miraculous catch or maybe if Wes Welker's hands didn't turn into frying pans they win a couple more Super Bowls. Spygate wasn't the reason they lost two Super Bowls to the luckiest team ever.
No.
Yeah, and even their "spygate-fueled" SB wins were by 3 points or whatever.
FBRef's Approximate Career Weighted Value (which tries to rank all players) puts him well below Favre, a little behind Marino, a hair above Young and well above Montana (AV is not a big fan of Joe) on the all-time leaderboard. Peyton, of course, is first. Brady's already shot past Montana, and may eventually get to No. 2 on the list.
Meh. That has Fran Tarkenton the 7th greatest player ever, 3rd greatest QB ever. Tarkenton was great, but he wasn't that great.
1. Manning
2. Montana
3. Brady
4. Marino
5. Elway
6. Young
7. Favre
And. [386] re the Niners:
Are you confounding the 1st and 2nd rams games? I think they missed maybe 3-4 tackles in the 2nd. Jackson was 21 for 48 yards with 1 9 yard run... unless he was breaking a lot of tackles 4 yards behind the LOS (he probably did break a couple).
Possibly. When I originally wrote the post I said something about more broken tackles in the two Rams games together than the rest of the season but deleted it for tortured syntax and to preserve my angry hyperbole.
I still think you're understating the case in just the 2nd Rams game though. It wasn't just Jackson - but I'd venture to guess half his yards gained DID come after contact.
I don't think this is fair either. I think they often call 2 runs in the huddle with the roll/kill call. Although I agree in GENERAL that they were either horribly misreading STL defense at the line, vastly optimistic about their OL, or tipping plays.
You're 100% right there, zenbitz. We don't know what CK was 'kill'ing OUT of, just that every time he did it - whatever the cause - the results were poor.
i know all of the issues with favre. i also know that in the 90's he had some amazing seasons. and then after breaking the thumb in 99 and not being able to properly grip the ball especially in cold weather he still had the ability to be really good. and in the last five years he was death to teams that blitzed him.
i freely state my bias but the notion that elway was better than favre is just silly to me.
Possibly the most incorrect thing you've ever said on BBTF. Serious - a QB needs guys to block for him, guys to throw to, and a running game and defense to keep the pressure off.
The stat, I think you want to look at is ANY/A+ and AY/A+ (Net includes sacks, which are "somewhat" the QBs fault). +, as you all know, means adjusted for era.
Maddeningly, the leaders list is NOT available from pro-football-reference.com. So this is a MANUAL compilation, there may be people left off.
But the obvious leaders:
Young 122/125 (~4100 attempts)Rodgers 122/126 (~2500 attempts)
Staubach 121/123 (~3000 attempts)
P.Manning 120/116 (~7700 attempts)
Montana 121/118 (~5400 attempts)
Brady 119/117 (~5800 attempts)
Warner 116/116 (~4000 attempts)
Marino 119/112 (~8358 attempts)
Fouts 117/114 (~5600 attempts)
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Favre 108/106 (>10000 attempts)
Elway 106/106 (7250 attempts)
(Eli Manning zone)
Older guys don't have sack numbers, but I didn't see anyone leap out on the AY/A lists.
Peyton -- barring a decline phase -- I think is probably the GOAT. I grew up watching Montana and Young, and Peyton "seems" better. Brady hasn't passed Montana yet, but he might on value - as might Aaron Rodgers. Biggest surprise for me on this list was Roger Staubach, but hey, anti-cowboy bias. I was going to add Aikman, but his PFBR page is messed up and doesn't have career totals!
You can still use the Play Index to compile the lists.
ANY/A+ (Minimum 100 starts)
Game Rk Player From To GS ANY/A+ 1 Steve Young* 1985 1999 143 123 2 Joe Montana* 1979 1994 164 121 3 Peyton Manning 1998 2012 221 120 4 Roger Staubach* 1969 1979 114 120 5 Tom Brady 2000 2012 171 119 6 Dan Marino* 1983 1999 240 119 7 Dan Fouts* 1973 1987 171 117 8 Babe Parilli 1952 1969 101 116 9 Kurt Warner 1998 2009 116 116 10 Drew Brees 2001 2012 165 114 11 Sonny Jurgensen* 1957 1974 149 114 12 Philip Rivers 2004 2012 108 114 13 Ken Anderson 1971 1986 172 113 14 John Brodie 1957 1973 159 113 15 Jeff Garcia 1999 2011 116 112 16 Trent Green 1997 2008 113 112 17 Fran Tarkenton* 1961 1978 239 112 18 Billy Kilmer 1961 1978 124 111 19 Bob Griese* 1967 1980 151 110 20 Earl Morrall 1956 1976 102 110AY/A+ (Minimum 100 starts)
Game Rk Player From To GS AY/A+ 1 Otto Graham* 1946 1955 114 129 2 Steve Young* 1985 1999 143 125 3 Roger Staubach* 1969 1979 114 122 4 Joe Montana* 1979 1994 164 118 5 Tom Brady 2000 2012 171 117 6 Len Dawson* 1957 1975 159 116 7 Peyton Manning 1998 2012 221 116 8 Kurt Warner 1998 2009 116 116 9 Philip Rivers 2004 2012 108 115 10 Ben Roethlisberger 2004 2012 122 115 11 Norm Van Brocklin* 1949 1960 101 114 12 Ken Anderson 1971 1986 172 113 13 Dan Fouts* 1973 1987 171 113 14 Trent Green 1997 2008 113 112 15 Dan Marino* 1983 1999 240 112 16 Bart Starr* 1956 1971 158 112 17 Bob Griese* 1967 1980 151 111 18 Sonny Jurgensen* 1957 1974 149 111 19 Earl Morrall 1956 1976 102 111 20 Johnny Unitas* 1956 1973 186 111I'll freely admit I've been underrating him. Hell, I didn't realize his career was as long as it was. With his foray in the USFL, the misfire in Tampa and then the backup to Montana gig, I figured his career as a starter was similar in length to Kurt Warner's, but it was a good two-plus seasons longer.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138101/index.htm
And I think other than truly elite players all players are basically the same. I think once you make it to the NFL there's very little separation amongst the vast majority of players.
Think of it like buying a car. You can spend $15,000 or you can spend $55,000. Both cars are getting you from New York to Boston the vast, vast majority of the time.
The exceptions prove the rule, because there are so few of them. Favre's 4-12 was an "expected" 7-9 per point differential. Not so bad. Elway's worst stretch was .500? Sign me up.
And I'm with Harvey on Favre; I didn't expect to be so impressed by Favre when I looked at his stats today.
An odd claim... what you are saying in essence is that all teams have an average defense. I'll even grant (for now) the implicit statement that all differences on offense are due to the QB.
The KC Chiefs went from 10-6 under Dave Kreig to 11-5 under Joe Montana
The Vikings went from 10-6 under Gus Ferrotte to 12-4 under Brett Favre
Not sure Ferrotte and Kreig are 2nd tier, even though they have playoff caliber teams.
The Broncos under Peyton Manning are likely to improve by 4 games or so. Keeping in mind that their QB was awful.
But EVEN THEN we know that w/l record in 16 games (let alone 2-4 game playoff tournaments) are not anywhere near 100% reflective of team quality. Close games have essentially random outcomes.
Good quarterbacking is obviously correlated with winning. But the causation arrow is a little harder to unravel.
Steve Young was horrible with the 2-12 Bucs. Did he just learn to quarterback on the Niners bench for 4 years? Probably a little.
But all these guys had good teams around them. Archie Manning has stoutly average passing numbers. His teams went 35-101-3.
the 1978 packers were at 7-2 and went 1-5-1 as a finish
And just like that, the defending champion Giants are looking at 3rd place in the NFC East if they lose to the Saints here. no pressure.
If all three teams are tied entering Week 17, the Giants are eliminated from the division and the Cowboys will play the Redskins for the division title that day.
Of course, the Giants could get a 10-6 or 9-7 wild card (or run the table incl today and go 11-5 to close out the upstarts...
His skirt got ruffled but he will be OK.
Wiz has to go.
they won a meaningless game on the same day they were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, and by beating tampa bay, they simultaneously improved the playoff positioning of their divisional rivals while also hurting their own positioning when it comes to the draft.
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there is a fellow alum of mine who was an insufferable eagles fan in the good patch of the aughts telling everyone that the eagles had it all figured out, managed the cap better than anyone, found players better than anyone, etc, etc, etc
now he won't respond to emails, texts or anything. folks aren't even razzing him. just want to talk football. it's pretty pathetic.
most teams look pretty good when their quarterback isn't missing anything
well, that might be but then one would think his wife would mention it when she speaks to my wife
but maybe not
I'll always talk football. Particularly older stuff. Can't get enough of it.
Your friend wasn't entirely wrong. Early in Reid's tenure they did manage the cap better than anyone and were as good as anyone other than Pittsburgh and Baltimore in finding depth players and replacing departed players with ease. (For example every year of Reid's tenure they had a different trio of mediocre starting linebackers but while Jim Johnson was alive the defense rarely skipped a beat.) But then the league caught up quickly while the Eagles stood still, in part because they mimicked the Eagles cap management. In the past few years the front office has been completely isolated, when someone would leave to go to another team, they always promote from within. No new ideas, no outside perspectives, no fresh takes on anything; that's the quickest way to get left behind. The Eagles were never better than an average drafting team in the past, but Roseman is a poor drafter (well, poor at everything) and it's killing them. I have absolutely no confidence in him. The next few years are going to suck.
Easily the most underachieving team this season. Lost three straight games when having the lead with 2 minutes to go (2nd team ever to do so). Have outgained opponents by 750 yards. Lost one game by 3 points allowing 3 non-offensive TDs. Another game by 7 points allowing 2 non-offensive TDs. And in this game dominating the Packers and a crazy fumble led to the Packers getting back into the game. Just a crap season.
Oh forgot the Bears game they lost where they fumbled twice in the redzone, including once on the goal line in a game they lost by 6 points (not even counting the muff punt that gave the Bears an easy 3 points).
Is Wisenhunt to blame for the Cardinals having no QB?
He's a big part of it. He has a lot of input on roster management, and decides who starts. Remember, Kolb wasn't his starting at the beginning of the season, it was Skelton. After Kolb went down, it was clear that whomever Wisenhunt put in was not going to be good, which is the head coach fault for not preparing them. Especially Skelton, who was again, the starter at day one.
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