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    posted on April 11, 2013 at 09:34 PM by Repoz to astros, obit  |  6 comment(s)

    RIP, Grady Hatton…or as we used to call him The Creeper.

    Grady Hatton Jr., a Beaumont-native, major league baseball player and manager of the Houston Astros, died Thursday morning from causes relating to cancer, his daughter-in-law said.

    Hatton was born in Beaumont and played in the majors from 1946-60 after attending the University of Texas-Austin. He made his major league debut on April 16, 1946 as a 23-year-old second baseman with the Cincinnati Reds. In 1952, he was named a National ...

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    1. Pat Rapper's Delight posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:01 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The Beasties made the Hall of Fame based on both peak and longevity.

    Bah. I didn't know about Yauch's health issues, but now I know why the RnRHoF fast-tracked putting them in over far more deserving bands.
    2. Ephus posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:01 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    A group of really talented intelligent musical rebels who succeeded in Licensed To Ill (and the ensuing tour) in convincing the world that they were a group of no-talent meatheads and then spent the next fifteen years unwinding the stereotype they had created for themselves. Paul's Boutique is a truly great album.
    3. Tom Nawrocki posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:03 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    They also had more hits than Sadaharu Oh.

    Was MCA really a Primate? I got to interview him briefly a few years back, and I would have mentioned that had I known. He was, by all accounts, a really good guy.
    4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:03 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    "Sabotage" is easily my favorite music video of all time, and of my favorite songs. Geez, this makes me feel old. Those guys should forever be in their 20s.
    5. villageidiom posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:04 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Was MCA really a Primate?
    Not to be confused with Matt Clement of Alexandria. AFAIK he's still alive.
    6. Lassus posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:13 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    We had "Fight for Your Right to Party" cranked one night right before my friend slid his Dodge K-car down a snowy incline and into the back of a parked station wagon. Totalled the front end, and in the aftermath, I made a point to reach back in the car to turn the knob of the now-dead radio from 11 to 0 just in case it came back on us as a contributor to the crash.

    RIP - and I agree, Paul's Boutique was brilliant.
    7. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:14 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Was MCA really a Primate?


    Apparently so.

    Holy ####. I had no idea he was THAT Adam Yauch. Puts an interesting gloss on #18 in this thread...

    RIP, man.
    8. gef the talking mongoose posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:14 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Ah, geez. Not a huge fan or anything, but his band was cool. I vaguely recall coming across the "Cooky Puss" 12" at the Tower Records off the Arizona St. campus in the early '80s & paying no attention to it. (Probably would have if I'd realized one of 'em had been in the Young & the Useless.) Around three years later, I was happy to buy Licensed to Ill at the Sears on University Ave. in Little Rock.

    *sigh*
    9. Never Give an Inge (Dave) posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:15 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0


    That sucks. RIP. Glad I got to see them in concert back in the day...
    10. Swedish Chef posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:21 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    "Licensed to Ill" holds up surprisingly well, considering their image at the time. "Check Your Head" is my favorite album, though.
    11. Never Give an Inge (Dave) posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:22 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0


    Wow, that's awesome that he was a Primate, if only for a short period of time.
    12. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:27 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The In Sound From Way Out (all instrumentals, and it might have been an import) is also really good. I remember listening to License to Ill on a ghetto blaster in the back of a school bus on my first real class trip back in Grade 6.
    13. Dingbat_Charlie  posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:27 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    RIP MCA.
    14. Nasty Nate posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:27 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Was MCA really a Primate?



    Apparently so.

    Holy ####. I had no idea he was THAT Adam Yauch. Puts an interesting gloss on #18 in this thread...

    RIP, man.


    That says he last posted on the off-day in between games 2 and 3 of the aught-four world series.

    /// has the 'view all posts by this member' feature EVER worked on this site?
    15. Tom Nawrocki posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:31 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    They were on tour then; I still have my ticket stub from the opening night of that tour, at Red Rocks on September 9, 2004. So apparently it was something to help him while away those long bus rides.
    16. SoSHially Unacceptable posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:32 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Holy ####. I had no idea he was THAT Adam Yauch. Puts an interesting gloss on #18 in this thread...


    Now I'm wondering if that was the real Ralph Malph posting at the end of the thread.

    I must confess coming to the conclusion that the Beasties were meatheads as a result of Fight..., and thus it took me longer than it should have to come around on how good they were.

    RIP.
    17. Shooty is in the Trust Tree  posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:34 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I must confess coming to the conclusion that the Beasties were meatheads as a result of Fight.

    Me, too. I couldn't stand that first album, but everything after was solid.
    18. eddieot posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:35 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The only Beastie that could really rap. Talk about an irreplaceable band member. RIP MCA.
    19. PreservedFish posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:40 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Check Your Head was pretty much my Bible of Cool in high school.
    20. Pops Freshenmeyer posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:44 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    "Licensed to Ill" holds up surprisingly well, considering their image at the time. "Check Your Head" is my favorite album, though.

    Concurrence: Achieved.

    I grew up with my parents' 60s record collection and didn't pay any attention to current popular music until I heard "Ill Communication" for the first time. So for me, at least, the Beastie Boys were the #1 influence on my adolescence.

    21. Yeaarrgghhhh posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:49 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Me, too. I couldn't stand that first album, but everything after was solid.

    There's actually a lot of great stuff on that album once you get past "Fight for your right." That has to be one of the most bizarre hits of all time -- it projects an image of the band that was almost totally at odds with their history and talent, and was nothing like the rest of the songs on the album.
    22. Tim Wallach was my Hero posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:52 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Ill communication is the only rap album I ever bought (thanks to Sabotage, one of my favourite song ever) and one of the very few rap albums I've ever listened to.

    RIP.
    23. Kurt posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:55 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    22, if you liked Ill Communication you *have* to give Check Your Head and especially Paul's Boutique a listen. All three albums are great.
    24. DL from MN posted on May 04, 2012 at 02:59 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    only Beastie that could really rap


    He is the Beastie that turned me around on the band. Listen to MCA and you get a level deeper into the song.
    25. Dock Ellis on Acid  posted on May 04, 2012 at 03:01 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The Beastie Boys was my first lesson in music being a threat. I specifically remember arguing with my mother about them in third grade because she refused to buy the cassette tape of Licensed to Ill for me.

    Paul's Boutique is the Pet Sounds of hip-hop. A truly underrated record, relative to their more popular albums.
    26. Never Give an Inge (Dave) posted on May 04, 2012 at 03:05 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0


    There's actually a lot of great stuff on that album once you get past "Fight for your right." That has to be one of the most bizarre hits of all time -- it projects an image of the band that was almost totally at odds with their history and talent, and was nothing like the rest of the songs on the album.

    Yeah, although I don't understand people who hated "Fight". The video was silly but it's a fun song.
    27. Don't want the truth; just wanna see some dingers posted on May 04, 2012 at 03:08 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    "Fight for your Right" isn't out of place on Licensed to Ill. That whole album is just party song after party song. (I still love "Paul Revere", "Girls", and "Slow and Low", which was a left-over Run-DMC song)
    28. ?Donde esta Dagoberto Campaneris? posted on May 04, 2012 at 03:15 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    and was nothing like the rest of the songs on the album.

    Was it all that different from No Sleep or Girls or even Brass Monkey? I'm not saying it's not different, I guess I just don't see it.

    I understand the point people are making, but the fact that they were a more sophisticated group than that song might suggest- and that was in evidence on that album- doesn't really change the fact that they were (1) really young (and acting like it) when that album was recorded and (2) that hip-hop at the time was still, I believe, heavily influenced by its MC and House/Block Party roots. Fight for Your Right ties in pretty well with that tradition. It just translates it into something for another type of crowd. Their ability to do that, to say nothing of when they were doing it, is, to my mind, one of the things that sets them apart from a lot of similarly talented acts.

    I definitely do not want to flame up this thread, just my 2 cents.

    EDIT- Cokes.

    29. Liver of blaspheming 'zop posted on May 04, 2012 at 03:21 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    If he posted in 2004 under his real name, it wouldn't surprise me if he was still posting under a pseudonym.

    Nothing to add beyond, other than, the man could really ####### rap.
    30. GregD posted on May 04, 2012 at 03:22 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    And who says bands can't be stupid and smart on the same album? I mean Titus Andronicus singing "I'm sorry, momma, but I've been drinkin again" to a chorus of "Let's Get ###### Up" doesn't invalidate the smarter songs on the album. Musicians are as mixed up and confusing as the rest of us; I like when they show their silly and their serious sides. I'm sure John McCauley feels as sincere when he sings, "Let's All Go the Bar" as when he sings, "These Old Shoes."
    31. Dock Ellis on Acid  posted on May 04, 2012 at 03:23 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    If he posted in 2004 under his real name, it wouldn't surprise me if he was still posting under a pseudonym

    If someone says a couple months from now, "Where has X been?" I'm going to think X was Adam.
    32. Nasty Nate posted on May 04, 2012 at 03:25 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    If he posted in 2004 under his real name, it wouldn't surprise me if he was still posting under a pseudonym.


    I would be really surprised if he is still posting now
    33. bunyon posted on May 04, 2012 at 03:36 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    If someone says a couple months from now, "Where has X been?" I'm going to think X was Adam.

    I'm going to stop posting now and see if I can fool you.
    34. Sebastian  posted on May 04, 2012 at 03:47 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I bought Paul’s Boutique in the early 90’s on a class trip to Prague of all places. My only exposure to the Beastie Boys at that time had been Fight For Your Right… and I did not get their second album at all. It did grow on me rather quickly and by the time I heard Licensed to Ill in its entirety a few months later I only found it okay. Never really loved Hello Nasty either, but I got to see them on that tour with the round stage. Haven’t been this bummed by a celebrity death since Douglas Adams.
    35. Tom Nawrocki posted on May 04, 2012 at 03:55 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0


    If someone says a couple months from now, "Where has X been?" I'm going to think X was Adam.


    Nathaniel Hornblower looks an awful lot like Harveys Wallbangers.
    36. Yeaarrgghhhh posted on May 04, 2012 at 04:01 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    "Fight for your Right" isn't out of place on Licensed to Ill. That whole album is just party song after party song. (I still love "Paul Revere", "Girls", and "Slow and Low", which was a left-over Run-DMC song)

    ***

    Was it all that different from No Sleep or Girls or even Brass Monkey? I'm not saying it's not different, I guess I just don't see it.

    THose are party songs, but they have a very different feel to me. I don't know -- maybe it's just a personal thing.
    37. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) posted on May 04, 2012 at 04:01 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Jeez, just listening to old CDs of the Beastie Boys and I forget how ####### awesome entire albums were.

    Even their most recent album, Hot Sauce Committee Part 2 is pretty damn good.
    38. Snowboy posted on May 04, 2012 at 04:13 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I also remember the exact circumstances when I bought "License to Ill"
    Wasn't expecting to find so many people having the same experience.
    RIP MCA
    39. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) posted on May 04, 2012 at 04:18 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Yeah, I bought License to Ill on a cassette at an old Value Village, which is long gone. I'm sure it was in one of those 18 inch white tamper proof plastic packages. "FFYR" was simply an anthem type song for the party masses, but no doubt that really skewed their rep. with the public for awhile. There's still some really good indicators of their future brilliance on that album though.
    40. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim  posted on May 04, 2012 at 04:31 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    "The Mix-Up" has been on regular rotation in my at-work background music since the day it came out. I simply didn't expect that from them — a totally different direction, but every bit as good as anything else they'd ever done.

    This is bummer news.
    41. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) posted on May 04, 2012 at 04:42 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0


    Yeah, I bought License to Ill on a cassette at an old Value Village, which is long gone.


    I think Ill Communication was the first tape I ever bought with a parental advisory sticker on it.
    42. Dread Pirate Dave Roberts posted on May 04, 2012 at 04:47 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Are we really sure that it wasn't Adam Yauch in the same way that we used to have Larry Bowa post here?

    Always liked their music, childhood and college wouldn't have been the same without it. Such a shame to die so young.
    43. Dan Szymborski  posted on May 04, 2012 at 05:04 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Are we really sure that it wasn't Adam Yauch in the same way that we used to have Larry Bowa post here?

    I would be shocked if that was actually Yauch posting. If Yauch had been a poster, I'd wager that he would have used a handle.
    44. Champions Table posted on May 04, 2012 at 05:18 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Yeah, right. Like Dan Szymborski would post here under his real name.
    45. SoSHially Unacceptable posted on May 04, 2012 at 05:19 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I would be shocked if that was actually Yauch posting. If Yauch had been a poster, I'd wager that he would have used a handle.


    Well, Repoz says he's a Primate, and I've always assumed Repoz knows just about every musician that has come from the New York area. Now, I suppose it's possible that Yauch is a Primate and someone else posted under (or shares) his name, but that seems more unlikely.
    46. Phil Coorey. posted on May 04, 2012 at 06:30 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    So sad
    47. Phil Coorey. posted on May 04, 2012 at 07:09 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Jeez, just listening to old CDs of the Beastie Boys and I forget how ####### awesome entire albums were.

    Even their most recent album, Hot Sauce Committee Part 2 is pretty damn good.


    So true on both fronts
    48. PreservedFish posted on May 04, 2012 at 07:11 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I bought License to Ill when I was 11 or 12, on the same day that I bought Led Zeppelin IV and that Grateful Dead greatest hits CD, Skeletons in the Closet (which in retrospect is sort of awful). I wish I could go back to those days when knowing so little about music meant you could stumble on several exceptional, mind-blowing albums all in a row.

    Maybe it's time to get into classical music?
    49. Lassus posted on May 04, 2012 at 07:20 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Yes. Yes, it is.
    50. Arch Stanton posted on May 04, 2012 at 07:41 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I loved the Beastie Boys, but MCA's death is upsetting me way more than I would have expected. I guess it never occurred to me until now that the Beastie Boys are the only group in my personal HoF that have been producing albums my whole adult life. The 14 year old kid in me who loved Licensed To Ill is having a hard time with this.

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