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OT: NBA Monthly Thread - May 2013

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101. smileyy posted on December 06, 2012 at 05:34 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

[99] I agree. I'm astounded at how much bigger the NBA court seems. I think its a combination of three things:

(1) The larger area within the arc simply creating more space in which the offense operates
(2) The need to respect the 18' jumper, which most NBA players can hit if left completely open, and many college players cannot
(3) NBA players are quicker, and are more able to get out on shooters, so they can leave more space, because they can recover faster.

102. andrewberg posted on December 06, 2012 at 05:39 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

A 30-second shot clock would be a start. I think NCAA Men's Basketball has the longest shot clock of...pretty much every basketball organization, everywhere?

There is some state- maybe Montana- that still has no shot clock for high school girls. Of course, the NCAA should probably see that as a warning rather than an aspiration.

Georgetown's offense, Syracuse's zone, Boston College running the flex, etc, that stuff is fun to watch, and, for me at least, much easier to understand than the stuff NBA teams run.

I think that is because there is more action on the ball. In the NBA, a play is won or lost around the rim rather the ball gets there or not. Unless I'm watching the Timberwolves, I mostly just stare at the charge circle instead of the ball itself. There is a lot more action there.

103. jmurph posted on December 06, 2012 at 05:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I think that is because there is more action on the ball. In the NBA, a play is won or lost around the rim rather the ball gets there or not.

Very true. They're also smaller and less athletic, so you can really actually see a team run the Princeton offense and see what's happening in real time, whereas when an NBA team runs some kind of modified Princeton offense, it looks much different. Same with the flex. I admit I haven't seen BC recently, but they were literally running what a lot of good high school programs run, only they of course had much better players and were running plays out of it. Either way, I barely understand what most NBA teams are doing, except for the Knicks of course, because it's just Carmelo standing around and dribbling (I kid!).

104. Jimmy P posted on December 06, 2012 at 06:35 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

A 30-second shot clock would be a start.

I'd almost be tempted to go even shorter. A lot of teams appear to have the strategy of being more interested in defense and really struggling on offense. It's just no fun to watch.

And the charge rule is laughable.

105. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim

posted on December 06, 2012 at 10:07 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Pat Riley's on the Costas interview show saying that this past Olympic team would have beaten the 1992 Dream Team.

106. Der_K posted on December 06, 2012 at 10:34 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

My general feeling is that men's college basketball has embraced the notion that the 15-20' jumper is a really poor shot

The pros are moving to this conclusion as well (it comes up in the recent Ballard piece on Morey) - largely 'cause it is. Low expected value on the shot, even poor offensive rebounding rates. Helps with floor spacing and game theoretic stuff (if you shoot them infrequently enough), but - yeah.

I'd like a 30 second clock and deeper 3-pt line as well.

107. Booey posted on December 06, 2012 at 10:40 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Pat Riley's on the Costas interview show saying that this past Olympic team would have beaten the 1992 Dream Team.

I could see it. But only cuz the original Dream Teamers are all hitting 50...

108. Spivey posted on December 06, 2012 at 11:02 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

College basketball is just terrible. I think watching the NBA more helped make me realize that, but college play has also gotten worse. I think part of the problem is that now guys are more interested in going to a smaller school where they can play than go to a big school and ride pine. A lot more parity, which means the teams we watch aren't that deep or good.

109. puck posted on December 06, 2012 at 11:27 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I think college ball is much more enjoyable in person. Well, all sports pretty much are, but the gain in the college environment is huge.

110. JC in DC posted on December 06, 2012 at 11:36 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

A couple of things:

(1) Mike Woodson can coach;
(2) J.R. Smith is becoming a steady, all-around player; he gives NY a lot of athleticism;
(3) Sheed can still play; he's such a good defender and despite his hotheadedness, he's a very smart player;
(4) Grunwald did some smart ####. The 3-headed PG is working.

111. Conor posted on December 06, 2012 at 11:45 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I just wish Sheed didn't shoot so much, especially 3's. He's second on the team in shots per minute (not counting Chris Copeland). He's taking 8 3's per 36 and he's now 16-58. But he is, for the most part, a very smart player.

And the Knicks are insane from 3 tonight. 18-40.

112. ASmitty posted on December 07, 2012 at 12:36 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Sheed, in his prime, was one of the best defensive players I've ever seen, minus rebounding. If I were constructing a dream defense, he would probably be on it. The fact that he was a weak rebounder really kept his defense from being acknowledged.

113. PJ Martinez posted on December 07, 2012 at 01:07 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Perhaps this has already been noted (I don't know how long this has been the case), but the Knicks are the only team in the league that is still unbeaten at home. (They have played relatively few home games, though.)

114. Athletic Supporter gangnam style posted on December 07, 2012 at 05:19 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

On the one hand, the Kobe assist stuff is interesting, but on the other hand, this.

115. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige posted on December 07, 2012 at 06:59 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Knicks' regular season record under Mike Woodson: 32-10.

116. NJ in NY posted on December 07, 2012 at 07:12 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Are the Knicks good yet?

117. NJ in NY posted on December 07, 2012 at 07:24 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

LeBron rips a page from The KobeSystem by Kobe Bryant:

After playing 39 minutes and posting a near triple-double -- 31 points, 10 rebounds and 9 assists -- in the Knicks' 112-92 win, James apparently worked off some frustration after consecutive losses and the Heat's second 20-point defeat to the Knicks in a little more than a month.

"I've got to be better, it's that simple," James said. "I'm here and I'm the last one to leave. ... They pretty much just kicked our ass in two games."

118. Booey posted on December 07, 2012 at 12:42 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

the Knicks are the only team in the league that is still unbeaten at home

Damn Billups...

119. you got a STEAGLES? you're gonna need a STEAGLES. posted on December 07, 2012 at 12:54 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

the sixers are playing boston tonight and tomorrow in a home and home series. would it be wrong for me to say that i think the sixers will win at least one of these games by 20?

why, yes, yes it would be wrong. in fact, i'm fairly sure they'll lose both by double digits on the way to a very ugly, very depressing next 2 months.

120. JC in DC posted on December 07, 2012 at 02:08 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

LBJ was awesome last night, but he cannot do it alone. Chalmers was a nothing, Wade was out of it, and Bosh was ok, but he can be so lethargic. Chandler's size bothered them.

121. Jimmy P posted on December 07, 2012 at 02:32 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Wade was out of it

Wade's been mailing it in this season. Plenty of reporters and commentators saying he's hurt. If he's that hurt, he should just take a few weeks off, because right now he looks as disinterested as Melo last season.

122. Chicago Joe

posted on December 07, 2012 at 03:11 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I'd almost be tempted to go even shorter. A lot of teams appear to have the strategy of being more interested in defense and really struggling on offense. It's just no fun to watch.

You do know the Illini have a new coach, right?

123. smileyy posted on December 07, 2012 at 04:15 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

From the potential-future-narratives department:

If Wade's wheels are starting to fall off or if there's a "can't get motivated to be the beta or gamma dog" in Dwyane Wade, LeBron's ability to choose teammates might be an interesting story to his career.

124. Athletic Supporter gangnam style posted on December 07, 2012 at 05:42 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Steve Nash tries to help Dwight with his free-throw shooting, Dwight says no.

125. andrewberg posted on December 07, 2012 at 05:51 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

My mind cannot get clouded with everybody telling me how to shoot a free throw. I just have to go up there and shoot it my way and not get caught up in what everybody else is saying, because that's when I miss.

Oh is that when you miss?

126. you got a STEAGLES? you're gonna need a STEAGLES. posted on December 07, 2012 at 06:43 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Steve Nash tries to help Dwight with his free-throw shooting, Dwight says no.

i know i'm just another one of those guys, but forget about his shot; his posture when he gets up to the line is terrible. his feet are close together, there's no bend in his knees, and he stands almost completely upright. i'm sure there's a lot of other #### that he does wrong, but that seems like the most easily correctable flaw.

127. smileyy posted on December 07, 2012 at 06:52 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Dwight Howard is certainly endearing himself to the Lakers, isn't he?

Bryant cited former teammate Shaquille O'Neal as an example of how Howard can improve at the line if he makes it a priority.

"Shaq, he had a tough time at the free throw line, but he got to a place where the critical stretches of ballgames, he really knocked them down," Bryant said of O'Neal, who played a crucial role on four championship-winning teams in Los Angeles and Miami despite shooting just 52.7 percent from the free throw line for his career. "Maybe he was about 50 percent, but it seemed like in games where there were big ones, it seemed like he didn't miss them. He got to that place just by working. That really meant a lot to him and he took on that responsibility of having to make them."

Maybe I'm hearing what I want to hear from Kobe, but I'm interpreting a "Man, you guys all know I can't stand Shaq, but at least he delivered compared to my current teammate..."

128. you got a STEAGLES? you're gonna need a STEAGLES. posted on December 07, 2012 at 06:57 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Wade's been mailing it in this season. Plenty of reporters and commentators saying he's hurt. If he's that hurt, he should just take a few weeks off, because right now he looks as disinterested as Melo last season.

just for a bit of fun, if evan turner was putting up dwyane wade numbers (19, 4, and 4 on 47% shooting), how many (more) posts per week do you think there'd be in this thread about evan turner?

129. Booey posted on December 07, 2012 at 09:38 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

just for a bit of fun, if evan turner was putting up dwyane wade numbers (19, 4, and 4 on 47% shooting), how many (more) posts per week do you think there'd be in this thread about evan turner?

Well, you tell us, since most of them would be from you! ;-)

130. Tom Cervo, backup catcher posted on December 07, 2012 at 09:50 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I think this gif perfectly encapsulates JaVale McGee.

131. Athletic Supporter gangnam style posted on December 07, 2012 at 09:56 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

On the scale of Simmons psychoanalyzing Kobe yet again, I thought this was actually a pretty good read.

[130] is amazing.

132. Spivey posted on December 07, 2012 at 10:11 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I don't understand why Shaq gets some ######## credit for "making free throws when they count". I find that highly ####### dubious. And they all count. Howard is weird though - he wasn't that bad of a free throw shooter a couple of years ago.

133. Spivey posted on December 07, 2012 at 10:42 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Evan Turner's late game play is absolute garbage tonight. I missed the first 46 minutes, and he has solid numbers, so presumably he didn't look like an unathletic clown the whole game.

134. PJ Martinez posted on December 07, 2012 at 10:44 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Love the confidence Doc showed in Rondo there, but even so, he is probably not the guy who should take that shot with Pierce, Terry, and Garnett all on the floor.

135. PJ Martinez posted on December 07, 2012 at 10:55 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Nice shot by Turner there.

136. PJ Martinez posted on December 07, 2012 at 10:58 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Again the confidence in Rondo (if it was drawn up that way? not clear), but KG probably should have just taken that.

137. Spivey posted on December 07, 2012 at 10:59 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Rondo sprained his ankle late in regulation and then slipped right there, neither looked serious though.

Turner did make a big shot at the end there... I thought they were running way too much iso with Turner even when Holliday was still on the court.

138. Spivey posted on December 07, 2012 at 11:02 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Obnoxious Kobe Bryant Stat: He has been on the first or second all-defensive team every time but once in the last 12 years.

139. andrewberg posted on December 07, 2012 at 11:27 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

IN the matchup of the NBA's top two rebounders, Varejao got one more (14) than Love (13). Love outscored him by 32, though.

140. you got a STEAGLES? you're gonna need a STEAGLES. posted on December 08, 2012 at 12:33 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Evan Turner's late game play is absolute garbage tonight. I missed the first 46 minutes, and he has solid numbers, so presumably he didn't look like an unathletic clown the whole game.

Turner did make a big shot at the end there... I thought they were running way too much iso with Turner even when Holliday was still on the court.

they had nothing else. jrue didn't have a very good game (and was in foul trouble the whole second half, to boot), the team as a whole shot 2/11 from beyond the arc, and almost all of the scoring you got from the frontcourt (allen, young, and hawes) came off offensive rebounds or on the break or at the foulline.

on any given night, the sixers' halfcourt offense ranges from mediocre to horrendous, but when that comes up against a defense like boston's, things get real ugly, real quick.

the difference in this game was the number of possessions. the sixers had 10 more offensive rebounds, 9 fewer turnovers and 18 more shot attempts. well, it didn't hurt that pierce and terry went a combined 2/15 from beyond the arc, either.

i guess it's good to see the team battle through adversity and come out on top, but they just are not at all a fun team to watch.

141. CFBF Hates Hyphens posted on December 08, 2012 at 01:13 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

My. Looks like Joakim Noah had a night.

142. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim

posted on December 08, 2012 at 01:51 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Obnoxious Kobe Bryant Stat: He has been on the first or second all-defensive team every time but once in the last 12 years.

You can mention how that fueled your fire in your Hall of Fame speech.

143. robinred

posted on December 08, 2012 at 12:45 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Long interview with Stephen Jackson on rap, The Brawl and other stuff

What guilty pleasures are on your iPod?

I’ve got Ashlee Simpson’s song “Pieces Of Me.” I listen to that every day to relax me before games.

I mess people up when I’m on the plane listening to Guns N’ Roses’ “Sweet Child o’ Mine.”

I got that song by JoJo called “Too Little, Too Late.” I love that beat.

I’ve got a lot of old-school stuff like Hall & Oates.

144. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on December 08, 2012 at 02:04 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

My. Looks like Joakim Noah had a night.

Yes. 30pts/23red(10off)/6ast/2blk/2st/2TO. 12/19 shooting (6/7FT). Absolutely carried the team, monster effort. Really fun to watch (first time I've said that about anything Bulls related this year).

145. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim

posted on December 08, 2012 at 02:52 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I’ve got a lot of old-school stuff like Hall & Oates.

I wonder if Jax knows about Live from Daryl's House.

146. CFBF Hates Hyphens posted on December 08, 2012 at 04:42 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

On the scale of Simmons psychoanalyzing Kobe yet again, I thought this was actually a pretty good read.

I like Walton saying that Simmons' distaste for Kobe was based entirely on not liking Kobe's style. And kudos to Simmons for including that.

147. Athletic Supporter gangnam style posted on December 08, 2012 at 07:06 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

There are so many money quotes in [143]. I think this is my favorite:

How did you get through all that?

When Donnie Walsh was in Indiana with me, he had my back. He knew my heart and knew what kind of person I was. I would have never went in the stands on my own. I would have never shot up a strip club on my own.

It was always to help somebody, so when people say that type of stuff, it definitely pisses me off.

148. Der_K posted on December 08, 2012 at 07:11 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

[130] if i could use a gif as wallpaper...

149. you got a STEAGLES? you're gonna need a STEAGLES. posted on December 08, 2012 at 09:46 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

28 points in the first half.

woooooooo!!!!! sixers basketball, baby!!

150. robinred

posted on December 09, 2012 at 12:18 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Thibodeau played Deng, Noah, and Belinelli 47, 44 and 45 minutes tonight, in response to Hinrich and Gibson being out (Gibson played 12). Boozer only went 22.

D'Antoni had Bryant and Howard go 43 and 41 against OKC, and Brooks had Durant and Westbrook go 40 and 44 (don't recall who had the 44 and the 40, but I recall the numbers).

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