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    posted 3 weeks ago by Athletic Supporter gangnam style to basketball, nba, off-topic  |  1018 comment(s)

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    51. Booey posted on December 05, 2012 at 12:39 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I hope it's just an indirect way for New Orleans to become the Jazz again. Utah can pick up the Hornets.


    Pfft. If that's their plan, New Orleans can suck it! ;-)
    52. Tom Cervo, backup catcher posted on December 05, 2012 at 02:08 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Pfft. If that's their plan, New Orleans can suck it! ;-)


    Nah, they can have the name if they give up the Unibrow.
    53. YR Misses Reggie Bars posted on December 05, 2012 at 02:15 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Up above a poster referred to "Hack a Big Whining Baby." I assume that means Howard. What is it about him that makes him so unlikeable?


    Perhaps this plays into the perception.
    54. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on December 05, 2012 at 02:35 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I hope it's just an indirect way for New Orleans to become the Jazz again. Utah can pick up the Hornets.


    Close, but Utah is the Beehive State not the Hornethive State.
    55. Booey posted on December 05, 2012 at 02:48 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Nah, they can have the name if they give up the Unibrow.

    Deal!
    56. andrewberg posted on December 05, 2012 at 03:06 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    From YR's link:

    Look at Dwight after the Lakers lost their second straight game to open the season. From Kevin Ding at the OC Register:

    "It'll all come together at the right time," Howard said late Wednesday night in the locker room after the Lakers got blown off the court in Portland.

    Before that, Howard turned on some pleasant music so he could groove in front of his locker while he got dressed, his teammates all already long gone to the bus. Before that, he asked a Lakers staffer if hitting his free throws meant he could have his Halloween candy. Then he asked again. And again.

    Before that, Howard mooned a TV cameraman whom he suspected of having his camera on while Howard had his underwear halfway down. Howard responded by sticking his rear end farther out, saying: "I've got a wide shot for you." And he giggled.

    The season's less than a week old and Lakers writers are already tired of this ####.


    Cracked me up for how stupid it was.
    57. andrewberg posted on December 05, 2012 at 03:18 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Klosterman on Spurs-Stern issue.

    Interesting take. Short version- If pro sports are really just about which team is better, then there is no reason for them to have so much cultural importance. Pure entertainment has to enter into the equation pretty heavily. It is probably the best reason for Stern's side that I have heard so far. Stephen Fatsis made a pretty similar argument on Hang Up and Listen podcast too.
    58. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on December 05, 2012 at 06:45 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I think I'll like the Pelican nickname if this happens:

    ?@ZachLowe_NBA
    Picture it: A Pelican mascot dive-bombing from the arena ceiling into an inflatable pool at midcourt, coming out w/ enemy mascot in mouth.
    59. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim  posted on December 05, 2012 at 08:55 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Bryant's 13 points from the 30,000-point milestone, and he'll probably get it tonight. I just don't know if I can stand watching the Lakers tonight.
    60. andrewberg posted on December 05, 2012 at 09:12 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    KG and Jeff Green are crushing the Wolves so far. What a cruel practical joke.
    61. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim  posted on December 05, 2012 at 09:37 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I was totally wrong about Ryan Anderson. He's not a nice complimentary player, he's Kevin Love Lite.
    62. Der_K posted on December 05, 2012 at 10:14 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    there's a good two part interview w wolves color man jim petersen somewhere online
    if only anderson were getting to the line like love. regardless, kinds of a shame that the pelicants' best two dudes are pfs.
    63. Spivey posted on December 05, 2012 at 10:36 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Milwaukee and San Antonio are playing a fun game.
    64. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim  posted on December 05, 2012 at 11:06 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    17 point game with 3 minutes left. Bryant and Howard are still in the game. I know last night was awful, but they really should sit.
    65. andrewberg posted on December 05, 2012 at 11:17 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I don't think Davis will be a power forward in two years. Dwight Howard played the four his rookie year next to Kelvin Cato and Tony Battie and he was essentially a 4 at that point. He is going to gain weight naturally and will likely develop more of a post game. My opinion anyway.
    66. Spivey posted on December 05, 2012 at 11:20 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The Bucks just got screwed on a Larry Sanders double block.
    67. andrewberg posted on December 05, 2012 at 11:26 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I was totally wrong about Ryan Anderson. He's not a nice complimentary player, he's Kevin Love Lite.


    I'm a huge fan Ryan Anderson and I think he will be a very good starter for years, BUT... Jamison was guarding him and he shot 5/8 on threes. Nobody is really as good as they look on their best day.

    I'm not being defensive about Love; he isn't even playing very well since coming back from his hand injury too early. Just want to put his accomplishments in context.
    68. Der_K posted on December 05, 2012 at 11:35 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    mine too on mr. brow, andrew.
    re anderson: i prefer the dirk lite comp some have put forth.
    69. NJ in NY posted on December 05, 2012 at 11:45 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I'm a huge fan Ryan Anderson and I think he will be a very good starter for years, BUT... Jamison was guarding him and he shot 5/8 on threes. Nobody is really as good as they look on their best day.

    He was averaging 18 and 8 with like a 60TS% before this game.
    70. Spivey posted on December 05, 2012 at 11:48 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Part of the reason why I think the Spurs bench shouldn't be held against them in regards to playoff aspirations is their bench can bury your starters. It was a tie game in the 4th quarter and then the Spurs bench went crazy the first 6 minutes of the 4th against most of the Milwaukee starters.

    Gary Neal and Splitter had really good games.
    71. Maxwn posted on December 05, 2012 at 11:51 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    He was averaging 18 and 8 with like a 60TS% before this game.

    Yeah, all the stuff in post 67 seems like why the qualification lite was added in 61. If he did what he did tonight every night he wouldn't be Kevin Love Lite, he'd be Kevin Love.
    72. andrewberg posted on December 05, 2012 at 11:51 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    He was averaging 18 and 8 with like a 60TS% before this game.



    And I think he can keep that up, just not go for 31 on such sharp shooting except in unique situations.
    73. NJ in NY posted on December 05, 2012 at 11:59 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    And I think he can keep that up,

    So...wouldn't that kind of sort of make him something like a Kevin Love-lite?
    74. andrewberg posted on December 06, 2012 at 12:05 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    So...wouldn't that kind of sort of make him something like a Kevin Love-lite?


    Fair enough.
    75. Maxwn posted on December 06, 2012 at 12:12 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I don't know, the more I think about it, the more that seems like maybe a Kevin Love Ultra or possibly Kevin Love 64.
    76. Booey posted on December 06, 2012 at 12:16 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    So...wouldn't that kind of sort of make him something like a Kevin Love-lite?


    Not until he does what Love did in post 17...

    Chauncey Billups given a flopping warning for Monday's game.
    77. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim  posted on December 06, 2012 at 12:21 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I can't believe how badly Odom missed that 3-on-1 layup. He looks done.
    78. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim  posted on December 06, 2012 at 12:23 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Crawford-to-Jordan is going to make tonight's highlight reel.
    79. Maxwn posted on December 06, 2012 at 12:27 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I can't believe how badly Odom missed that 3-on-1 layup. He looks done.

    If so that is almost unbelievable. He was basically as good or better than he'd ever been in '10-'11 and then boom, toast.
    80. Booey posted on December 06, 2012 at 12:30 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    If so that is almost unbelievable. He was basically as good or better than he'd ever been in '10-'11 and then boom, toast.


    I notice Kris Humphries has also taken a step backwards...

    Damn Kardashians.
    81. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim  posted on December 06, 2012 at 12:32 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    If so that is almost unbelievable. He was basically as good or better than he'd ever been in '10-'11 and then boom, toast.
    I know! I thought last year might have just been an aberration, fully expected him to be a solid contributor this year. Easy 3-on-1 dunk opportunity, and he couldn't even get off the ground.
    82. Maxwn posted on December 06, 2012 at 12:36 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Maybe he just doesn't give a #### anymore. That seems like the most plausible explanation.
    83. Booey posted on December 06, 2012 at 12:06 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    30,000 point club:

    Wilt Chamberlain
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    KARL MALONE!!!!!!
    Michael Jordan
    Kobe Bryant

    (subtle, subliminal homerism added for effect)


    Has Kobe ever appeared in a movie? Wilt was legendary in Conan, Kareem had Airplane, Malone had an embarrassing cameo in the gawdawful Soulplane, and MJ of course is of Space Jam fame (infamy?).

    Too bad Shaq didn't reach 30,000. He'd have been the most "accomplished" film "actor" of them all.
    84. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on December 06, 2012 at 01:12 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Part of the reason why I think the Spurs bench shouldn't be held against them in regards to playoff aspirations is their bench can bury your starters. It was a tie game in the 4th quarter and then the Spurs bench went crazy the first 6 minutes of the 4th against most of the Milwaukee starters.

    I'd say there's a bit of a difference between Milwaukee's starters in December and say the Thunder or Lakers (uh) starters in May and June.

    EDIT: Upon re-reading, this comes across as more sarcastic than I intended.
    85. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on December 06, 2012 at 01:20 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Too bad Shaq didn't reach 30,000. He'd have been the most "accomplished" film "actor" of them all.

    Kareem is obviously the best based solely on his work in Airplane, Game of Death, and Baseketball.
    86. Famous Original Joe C posted on December 06, 2012 at 01:24 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Part of the reason why I think the Spurs bench shouldn't be held against them in regards to playoff aspirations is their bench can bury your starters. It was a tie game in the 4th quarter and then the Spurs bench went crazy the first 6 minutes of the 4th against most of the Milwaukee starters.


    What Moses said. Big difference between Milwaukee and a top 4 or 8 team.
    87. robinred  posted on December 06, 2012 at 01:32 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Long analytical Grantland piece on Kobe Bryant's shots, misses, and what they mean to the Lakers' "offensive ecosystem" by Kirk Goldsberry:

    LINK
    88. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on December 06, 2012 at 01:37 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The Bucks are on the outside looking in at the playoffs, as of today. Only teams, IMO, they could possibly pass are either Chicago, Indiana or Philly, but all 3 of those teams are missing their best players (who should all play by the end of the year). The actual order of the East can change, but I'll be shocked if any of the current 8* miss (shocked would also encompass a future season wrecking injury).

    OTOH, I don't see the West looking anything like the current** version. I'd bet on 3 of the 8 right now not making it.

    *For posterity, today it's NY/MIA/ATL/CHI/BKN/PHI/BOS/IND.

    **MEM/OKC/SAS/LAC/GS/HOU/UTA/LAL
    89. andrewberg posted on December 06, 2012 at 02:41 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Kareem is obviously the best based solely on his work in Airplane, Game of Death, and Baseketball.


    Yes. Absolutely. There is no debate about that.

    OTOH, I don't see the West looking anything like the current** version. I'd bet on 3 of the 8 right now not making it


    Hoping the Wolves can sneak in. They are keeping their collective head above water with all of these injuries. Getting Love back at about 80% has helped, but without Rubio, AK, and Budinger (not bothering to count Roy), they are still scuffling. I am hoping they can get in a better rhythm in about a month when Rubio and AK are back and getting used to everyone.
    90. robinred  posted on December 06, 2012 at 02:59 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Excerpt from Goldsberry--see what berg thinks:

    By neglecting to evaluate the contrails of offensive rebounding events, we shortchange our understanding of the game. Take, for example, the game's best pure rebounder, Kevin Love, who has recently become a more prolific 3-point shooter. However, when Love takes a 3-point shot he is obviously not in a great rebounding position. As a result, Love's 3-point attempts elicit fewer offensive rebounds and Kobe Assists than those of his teammates. Over the past two seasons, the Wolves have rebounded their own 3-point misses 26 percent of the time. But this number for Love is 20 percent — it's 30 percent for Luke Ridnour. So, while looking at the surface of field goal percentage, Kevin Love seems to be a decent 3-point shooter, but when we examine the sequential nature of the Timberwolves' 3-point shooting his attempts are less efficient than many of his teammates.



    So, seems like that even though Love is a great rebounder, this means that you might want a guy who is good on the OGlass out there with him.
    91. andrewberg posted on December 06, 2012 at 03:24 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    So, seems like that even though Love is a great rebounder, this means that you might want a guy who is good on the OGlass out there with him.


    Yeah, that's a good point. He obviously draws the defender out with him, and strictly looking at OREB% does not account for the value of taking the other big away from the rim. Strictly from a rebounding perspective, though, Love is always better than whoever is guarding him, so that's a net loss on the boards.
    92. Jimmy P posted on December 06, 2012 at 04:01 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    On a completely different topic, I've watch a bit of college basketball this year and it is horrible. If teams get into the 50's and 60's it's a minor miracle. I don't know what they can do, but the NCAA really needs to correct this.
    93. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on December 06, 2012 at 04:07 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Shorten the shot clock.
    94. smileyy posted on December 06, 2012 at 04:20 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    A 30-second shot clock would be a start. I think NCAA Men's Basketball has the longest shot clock of...pretty much every basketball organization, everywhere?

    My general feeling is that men's college basketball has embraced the notion that the 15-20' jumper is a really poor shot -- probably because most players can't reliably hit a long 2. So possessions are more oriented around getting a good look at the rim, or an open 3. And when those aren't available, you get 35 seconds of teams trying to do that, and ending up with a bad 3, or a crappy off-the-dribble chuck at the rim.
    95. jmurph posted on December 06, 2012 at 04:34 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    My primary interest in college basketball in the past few years is just watching (and actually being able to understand) the varying styles of play, because I agree that the overall quality is pretty damn low. Georgetown's offense, Syracuse's zone, Boston College running the flex, etc, that stuff is fun to watch, and, for me at least, much easier to understand than the stuff NBA teams run.
    96. GregD posted on December 06, 2012 at 04:49 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I agree. I can't imagine why anyone would think it would help the NCAA to be more like the NBA. I can't imagine anything that would sabotage its popularity more. It has fans because it represents its own thing; if it stopped that, it would be just AAA baseball outside of the Ohio River/Tobacco Road regions.
    97. just plain joe posted on December 06, 2012 at 05:06 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Pelicans was the long-time nickname of the New Orleans minor league baseball team. That team was the Pelicans from the beginning of the old Southern Association until they moved to Little Rock after the 1959 season.
    98. smileyy posted on December 06, 2012 at 05:27 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I can't imagine why anyone would think it would help the NCAA to be more like the NBA.


    Yeah...its nowhere near capable of doing so. I think the question is more of "How do the rules help or hinder the creation of a quality product." For me, long shot clocks enabling long bad possessions, foul limits and charge rules come immediately to mind as reasons I don't find college basketball as enjoyable as I could.
    99. ASmitty posted on December 06, 2012 at 05:30 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Yeah...its nowhere near capable of doing so. I think the question is more of "How do the rules help or hinder the creation of a quality product."


    The three point line is far too close, IMO. Despite the fact that the players are smaller and less athletic than NBA players, the court seems smaller and more congested. Forcing shooters out deeper would probably help a good bit.
    100. Bitter Mouse is a genre addict posted on December 06, 2012 at 05:32 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I find fast play more enjoyable than slow play (in general), especially since you can have faster play and good defense (just less standing around which is boring)

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