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    151. Shooty is in the Trust Tree  posted on March 05, 2013 at 04:58 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Really, that is horseshit.
    152. Biff, highly-regarded young guy posted on March 05, 2013 at 04:58 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    How on earth is that given as a red?
    153. Flynn posted on March 05, 2013 at 04:59 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Because it's the same kick Nigel de Jong did in the World Cup that absolutely everybody thought was a red card?
    154. zack posted on March 05, 2013 at 04:59 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Intent isn't a requirement. It was certainly reckless.
    155. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:00 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Commence SAF griping!
    156. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams (shayborg) posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:00 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    How on earth is that given as a red?

    Well, it was basically a flying kick to the chest. The ref must have thought he knew Arbeloa was there.
    157. sardonic posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:00 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    It's different though, Arbeloa comes in from more of an angle. When Nani goes up for the ball, Arbeloa is not in his line of sight at all, it looks more like Arbeloa jumps into the kick late to get a card.
    158. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams (shayborg) posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:01 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Intent isn't a requirement. It was certainly reckless.

    Sure, but it's very rare to have a red card given to a player who had no idea the other guy was anywhere near him.
    159. sardonic posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:02 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Also, the kick did not hit the chest, it hits Arbeloa's arm as he flies by.
    160. Flynn posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:03 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Intent doesn't matter.
    161. sardonic posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:03 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    double post
    162. Biff, highly-regarded young guy posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:04 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Yeah, the de Jong kick was straight to the chest and I think it was a lot more reckless than this one.
    163. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams (shayborg) posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:04 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Intent doesn't matter.
    Intent isn't necessary but it's sufficient. The most likely explanation for a red card like that is that the referee thought it was intentional. The next most likely is that he thought it was just extremely reckless. I think you could make a case for the latter but it wouldn't be a strong one.
    164. Biff, highly-regarded young guy posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:05 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Wow, HORRIBLE goalkeeping error makes it 3-0 Dortmund.
    165. Flynn posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:06 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Yeah, the de Jong kick was straight to the chest and I think it was a lot more reckless than this one.


    The de Jong red wasn't just on the wrong side of red, it was so far on the wrong side of red that if you could give two reds you would. Everybody in the bar I was watching was astonished he stayed on the pitch - and this bar was in Amsterdam.

    You don't go studs up over the waist with a player anywhere near you and expect to stay on the pitch.
    166. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams (shayborg) posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:06 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Also, the kick did not hit the chest, it hits Arbeloa's arm as he flies by.
    I haven't seen any more replays but in retrospect I think you're probably right.
    167. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams (shayborg) posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:08 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    What a shot from Modric!
    168. Mattbert posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:10 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Bringing on a certain former Tottenham player might not be the worst idea in the world.

    As I was saying...
    169. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams (shayborg) posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:11 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The SAF post-game interview's going to be a peach.
    170. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:21 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    After the Red I was kinda hoping for United. In games I have no rooting interest, I would rather they not be decided like this.
    171. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams (shayborg) posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:21 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    You don't go studs up over the waist with a player anywhere near you and expect to stay on the pitch.
    I can see that point of view, and I agree as a general rule when a player knows the opponent is nearby. In this case though I think it's extremely harsh because there was no indication that Nani had seen Arbeloa. A yellow is justified, but a red is far too much.
    172. sardonic posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:26 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    MU has had their chances.
    173. zack posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:33 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    United have been pretty effective and really fun bombing forward with abandon. Makes you wonder how awesome this game could have been if SAF hadn't been so negative.

    174. Flynn posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:34 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I can see that point of view, and I agree as a general rule when a player knows the opponent is nearby. In this case though I think it's extremely harsh because there was no indication that Nani had seen Arbeloa. A yellow is justified, but a red is far too much.


    Continental refs (I'm counting Turkey as continental) tend to take an extremely harsh stance on incidents like this. It will be interesting to see the European, non-Spanish, non-British reaction to this tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Germans, Italians, French, etc. all think it was an obvious red.
    175. Biff, highly-regarded young guy posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:34 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    "Every call has gone Real Madrid's way?" Other than the red (which is obviously a big deal), I haven't seen any particular incorrect calls. Just because a ManU player goes down in the box and doesn't get a penalty doesn't mean "every call has gone Real Madrid's way".
    176. Flynn posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:37 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Having just done a recon on Kicker, they describe it as "tough but reasonable".
    177. Mefisto posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:37 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Well, that's a shame. Great game until the ref decided to, well, decide it.
    178. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:44 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Only comment I got from the German coverage from the Dortmund game was "controversial".
    179. Flynn posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:46 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Gazzetta dello Sport described as "maybe overkill, but the incident was avoidable".

    180. The Voice of America posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:46 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Marca's "ref expert" said it should have been a yellow. I agree.
    181. Flynn posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:47 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Roy Keane's calling it a red card on ITV.
    182. J. Sosa posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:49 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I wonder if Barton has put the gingham pompoms down yet.

    Jeez.

    Not every official is Howard Webb. You go flying with your spikes high you can't complain too much. I thought it was a solid yellow even though I'm not sure Nani was innocent. He pushed off with his spikes. Yeah, I don't think he saw him, but he did push off and his spikes were high. It was very much at a minimum a yellow, and as high spikes are such a dangerous play, and its a fool's game to judge intent, I had no problem with the red. You let your fate out of your hands when you go high with your spikes, no sympathy from me.

    Wynalda's commentary was also typically ridiculous.
    183. Swedish Chef posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:51 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Roy Keane's calling it a red card on ITV.

    Clear evidence that that's an impostor and the real Roy Keane is bound and gagged in a basement somewhere.
    184. Arnett Mead (Arjun) posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:53 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    You go flying with your spikes high you can't complain too much. I thought it was a solid yellow even though I'm not sure Nani was innocent. He pushed off with his spikes. Yeah, I don't think he saw him, but he did push off and his spikes were high. It was very much at a minimum a yellow, and as high spikes are such a dangerous play, and its a fool's game to judge intent, I had no problem with the red. You let your fate out of your hands when you go high with your spikes, no sympathy from me.

    This is pretty much how I see it. I probably would have given a yellow, but I don't really have a problem with the red; at the very least, to me it's defensible.
    185. Mattbert posted on March 05, 2013 at 06:05 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Seems to me it's an awful lot like the infamous Nigel de Jong incident. Player is tracking the ball over his shoulder, goes in with a high boot to control it, and drills an opposing player he may or may not have seen right in the torso. Unlucky for Nani, but that's not a particularly harsh decision in my view.

    For the record, I thought de Jong should have been sent off as well but also that he was unfairly pilloried for that challenge. He's a nasty player, but I don't think in that instance he intended to kung-fu kick Alonso in the chest.
    186. JuanGone..except1game posted on March 05, 2013 at 06:14 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    ..
    187. JuanGone..except1game posted on March 05, 2013 at 06:14 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I have to say that I was really wrong about Shaktar's chances for Borussia. Willian was a bigger loss than I thought at the time.
    188. Matt Clement of Alexandria posted on March 05, 2013 at 06:21 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The red card is obviously the big story, but I think it's unfairly crowding out the story of what a ridiculous game Diego Lopez had. He got off his line very well to stuff a couple of one-on-ones, made some great reaction saves, and commanded his box well, too. You can't ask for a better performance from a keeper.
    189. Mefisto posted on March 05, 2013 at 06:35 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Agreed with 188; Lopez was MotM for Madrid.

    I think of myself as pretty European in my preferred style of calling the game. I think many more fouls should be called in the EPL than actually are. However, I don't see the comparison to De Jong at all. Nani clearly was focused on the ball and didn't see Arbeloa at all. Nani just did what all players do when going for the ball and his foot certainly wasn't chest high. That's yellow IMO. De Jong was so bad that the Dutch should have had 2 players sent off.
    190. Shooty is in the Trust Tree  posted on March 05, 2013 at 06:40 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Whether it was a red or not, it's a shame as that was a really engrossing tactical battle up until the sending off.
    191. zack posted on March 05, 2013 at 06:47 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The red card is obviously the big story, but I think it's unfairly crowding out the story of what a ridiculous game Diego Lopez had. He got off his line very well to stuff a couple of one-on-ones, made some great reaction saves, and commanded his box well, too. You can't ask for a better performance from a keeper.

    An excellent performance, but I think ridiculous is a better term than you meant, between punching Vidic in the head then falling down after he saw Vidic down, wasting several minutes off a shoulder check from Van Persie that was nothing, and spending 3 years before every goal kick.

    It'd be nice if there was a penalty between worthless loss of possession and a card for illegal plays in the outfield. I suggest laps.
    192. sardonic posted on March 05, 2013 at 06:52 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Here's a pretty good version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXJCs-vbmAM

    The call is defensible, but I still wish that it hadn't been made. To me, it's also extremely different than the De Jong kick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJwFA0P7oaM). In the De Jong case, the ball was coming toward him from the front, and the player was right in his line of sight, and the boot catches him straight in the chest. De Jong seems to raise his leg clearly after when he should have seen the other player.

    In Nani's case, he's tracking the ball over his shoulder, jumps to try to take it down with his leg, Arbeloa comes in from the side (from behind Nani's head) and jumps in a path that intersects with Nani's path. In real time, I thought Arbeloa took off after Nani did, but looking at the replays it looks more like a 50/50.
    193. I am going to be Frank posted on March 05, 2013 at 06:54 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Real time I thought, at worst, it was a yellow. At no point did I ever think it was a straight red. Welbeck was tremendous man-marking Alonso and going forward. I was a little shocked that United had control of the game until the red card. I don't know how a combination of Giggs and Rafael kept Ronaldo quiet.
    194. SuperGrover posted on March 05, 2013 at 07:53 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Also, the kick did not hit the chest, it hits Arbeloa's arm as he flies by.


    Nah he kicks him in the abdomen. Check out the still at the 6 second mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuv8QK98I4M

    I don't think it was a red, but it is a bit closer than people are making it to be, especially when you consider the location of the official and the assistant. He's well behind the play and has no chance of seeing where Nani's head is before making that call. That's why Wynalda's "Look at his eyes!" plea is pretty silly; how the #### is he supposed to see his eyes from 30 yards away when he is looking the other direction?

    As #192 it was defensible, but probably not the correct decision. I've seen much worse though. And given that I took the under I was rooting for it to be anything but red.

    "Every call has gone Real Madrid's way?" Other than the red (which is obviously a big deal), I haven't seen any particular incorrect calls. Just because a ManU player goes down in the box and doesn't get a penalty doesn't mean "every call has gone Real Madrid's way".


    Yeah that was horseshit. He claimed there was a handball in the 84th minute or so when it wasn't even close. Seemed like a ridiculously sore loser. That announcing team is just awful.

    Wynalda's commentary was also typically ridiculous.


    Surely NBC can get better talking heads than Fox, right?
    195. SuperGrover posted on March 05, 2013 at 07:54 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    An excellent performance, but I think ridiculous is a better term than you meant, between punching Vidic in the head then falling down after he saw Vidic down, wasting several minutes off a shoulder check from Van Persie that was nothing, and spending 3 years before every goal kick.


    De Gea would have done the same as would nearly every keeper Europe. It's simple to fix but until they do time wasting is always going to occur.
    196. Baldrick posted on March 05, 2013 at 10:32 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Sometimes the cliche pretty much covers it: "You've seen them given."

    It's not an egregious call either way, though I'm perfectly confident saying that it wasn't *really* a red (whatever that means).
    197. zack posted on March 05, 2013 at 10:34 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Surely NBC can get better talking heads than Fox, right?

    Well, they employ this guy as their main analyst, so no, probably not. The actual announcing team is usually pretty good though.

    If they do soccer as they do hockey, they'll pull in guys to split time from their regular gigs, rather than have a dedicated team, which works pretty well.
    198. Borussia, Du bist so wunderschön! (Mark Edward) posted on March 06, 2013 at 02:14 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I've been rough on Felipe Santana but he had a really solid game today. He looked much more composed than he has in the past. I'd still rather have Hummels out there but Santana really stepped up today.

    Lewandowski's work on the second goal was amazing.

    I'm just hoping Dortmund can stay healthy because they don't have much depth outside the starting 11.

    And I'm not really used to homer announcers but Martin Tyler and whomever his partner was today were ridiculous. The amount of crying and whining was obnoxious.
    199. Shooty is in the Trust Tree  posted on March 06, 2013 at 09:04 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    200. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance posted on March 06, 2013 at 09:12 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

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