It’s tied 1-1, who takes the series lead?
Red Sox (Peavy) at Cardinals (Lynn), Game 3. 7:30 PM ET (gametime: 8ish) on FOX.
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Craig didn't trip over Middlebrooks's legs.
My impression was on first viewing and remains that it was a CR7 level dive by Craig but it doesn't matter. He was obstructed on the play even if Middlebrooks wasn't kicking his legs out on purpose (which I think he was, because he's stupid).
As frustrating as it was the call was 100% right. The rule book actually specifies it. Here is 2.00 and not that this specific play is mentioned;
Rule 2.00 (Obstruction) Comment: If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he may be considered “in the act of fielding a ball.” It is entirely up to the judgment of the umpire as to whether a fielder is in the act of fielding a ball. After a fielder has made an attempt to field a ball and missed, he can no longer be in the “act of fielding” the ball. For example: an infielder dives at a ground ball and the ball passes him and he continues to lie on the ground and delays the progress of the runner, he very likely has obstructed the runner.
So, here's my question: Why did Craig take so long to break towards third base? When Pedroia fields the ball, Craig just stops and inches back towards second. Molina was going on contact - either Craig didn't know what was called (and then didn't look towards third like he should have), or he just had a brain freeze. If Salty makes a good throw, Craig ends up as the goat.
It looked to me like Salty had no shot at Craig in the first place. Craig arrives at third and sets up camp before the throw shows up.
Does Craig need to touch home plate? Did he ever touch home plate?
No. It's a judgment call of whether he would've scored in some hypothetical world where Will Middlebrooks mysteriously is vaporized once the ball gets past third base.
If he doesn't touch the plate I think he is still awarded the plate because the Sox abandoned the field.
Umm, no. He's on his stomach. He bends his legs at the knee so his feet go in the air. If that's what you do when getting up, what's your next move?
Is the answer simply that there is nothing he could have done?
If there's nothing he could have done then per the rule you don't call him for obstruction.
What did Middlebrooks need to do in order to not be called for obstruction?
Salty needed to eat the ball, or WMB needed to
block it from going into LF. End of story.
Edit: So if you as a fielder make the decision to try something that if unsuccessful leaves you blocking the way to the next base, yes indeed, you run the risk of being called for obstruction. That's part of the math.
Is the answer simply that there is nothing he could have done?
Lost in this whole thing- that was an incredible play by Pedroia.
If Craig took a step to his right... He wasn't that impeded.
I still can't decide whether to be mad or not, as a Red Sox fan. Having watched it ten times, I lean ########. If Craig took a step to his right... He wasn't that impeded.
My initial Red Sox fan reaction, and as an amateur player, was against the call. Reading it now,maybe it's correct (but stupid.). Clearly Craig had basepath to use. Middlebrooks, where would he have scrambled out or Craig's way in that 2 seconds. Craig did have a path around millebrooks,to his right. He tripped/scored because he took that track over middilebrooks instead of around.
Rule or not, is middlebrooks supposed to scramble out of the way the millisecond the ball goes by? How?
Techncically, I guess middlebrooks is supposed to just immediately dive out Craig's
I am happy to be convinced but my gut and amateur understanding of the book is that they blew it.
This seems to be something of a litmus test play for Red Sox fans, to see who can maintain their objectivity, and who is allowing their passion to skew their judgment.
1. Why was John Jay batting in that situation? Because the Cards don't really have a backup CF. They are waiting on a hot prospect (Taveras is the last name, I think Oscar is the first). But Taveras got hurt in AAA this year and missed a lot of playing time. Shane Robinson is basically the only backup CF the Cards have, and he doesn't hit any better than Jay does. I'm not even completely sure he's on the roster for the WS, although I guess he'd have to be, in case Jay gets hurt.
2. Why didn't the Sox walk Jay to set up force plays? Because whoever the Cards used next (I doubt it would have been Kozma) would have almost certainly been a better bet to hit a Sacrifice Fly and score the winning run. Jay hits grounders, when he hits at all.
Pedroia fielded a grounder in the infield and threw 80 feet to the plate. Wow, oh my god we never see that.
Ray's trolling here because it was a line drive that Pedroia fielded on a short hop by diving to his right (and slightly backwards) because he was standing about 10 feet behind the pitcher.
You have to understand that Ray is a robot who lives in a world approximiately 90 minutes of space/time behind our own. HIs most likely abode is the planet Jupiter.
Again, Middlebrooks did nothing wrong. The Red Sox didn't lose because Middlebrooks didn't get out of Craig's way. They lost because the catcher threw the ball past third base, allowing Craig to advance. When Craig didn't have an unimpeded path, the umpires had to decide what would have happened without the contact, not impose any penalties for the contact.
In a way, the rule is neutral. If Middlebrooks had deflected the ball to the shortstop, or if Nava had been charging in to back up the throw, and the same contact occurred between Craig and Middlebrooks before Craig ran home, the umpires would have signalled the obstruction, but allowed the out at the plate, because recreating the play without the obstruction in those cases, one could conclude that Craig was probably going to be out if he tried to advance.
Rk I Player Split Year PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BA OBP SLG OPS SH SF ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
18 Tony Cruz Fly Balls 2013 20 20 3 2 1 0 1 .150 .150 .350 .500 0 0 0 .150 82 52
19 Tony Cruz Line Drives 2013 23 23 11 4 0 1 8 .478 .478 .783 1.261 0 0 0 .455 366 52
20 Tony Cruz Ground Balls 2013 55 55 11 0 0 0 4 .200 .200 .200 .400 0 0 0 .200 52 60
40 Jon Jay Bunts 2013 17 8 3 0 0 0 0 .375 .375 .375 .750 9 0 0 .375 108 91
41 Jon Jay Fly Balls 2013 89 86 11 1 0 6 16 .128 .124 .349 .472 0 3 1 .060 30 37
42 Jon Jay Line Drives 2013 124 122 79 18 2 1 29 .648 .637 .852 1.490 0 2 0 .634 312 82
43 Jon Jay Ground Balls 2013 229 229 58 8 0 0 19 .253 .253 .288 .541 0 0 6 .253 50 116
52 Pete Kozma Bunts 2013 7 6 4 0 0 0 2 .667 .667 .667 1.333 1 0 0 .667 387 240
53 Pete Kozma Line Drives 2013 78 78 47 11 0 0 13 .603 .603 .744 1.346 0 0 0 .603 392 66
54 Pete Kozma Fly Balls 2013 106 103 6 3 0 1 8 .058 .057 .117 .173 0 3 0 .048 -36 -45
55 Pete Kozma Ground Balls 2013 132 132 32 6 0 0 12 .242 .242 .288 .530 0 0 3 .242 94 112
Because whoever the Cards used next (I doubt it would have been Kozma)
Why didn't the Sox walk Jay to set up force plays?
The problem with how things actually transpired was that Middlebrooks didn't catch a catchable throw, and/or that Salty didn't hold the ball. And that they didn't bat for a pitcher who they only used to face one more batter.
As to why anybody watches commercials these days - who knows.
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