The “Last Saturday Before The Break” OMNICHATTER
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Wait a minute. You called me out in the Chris Sale discussion because I didn't mention FIP in my stats-based argument, because in that case it benefited your argument... but now you complain that FIP is silly, because in this argument it doesn't make Wainwright look as good as Kershaw?
I have a real issue with believing Jason Heyward has been more valuable to the Braves than Justin Upton. Does he do more things well than Upton on a baseball field? Yes, that's probably true. But can the Braves win without Upton's power production in the middle of the order? Would they win more games with another strong defender and sub. .400 slugging percentage hitter in the lineup? I think not, but again, I'm open to discussion about it. My first reaction to that kind of conclusion though, is, admittedly, "no way."
But then I look at the top two in baseball (Trout and Tulo) and say, well, I agree with that. I think with me its a bit of a philosophical disagreement with the importance of defense, depending on position. Also, as always, defensive metrics fluctuate.
I don't oppose Fip, I oppose Fip without acknowledging that it doesn't argue for actual events. I oppose Fip when someone points out a pitcher from a known pitchers park, is putting up great numbers while not acknowledging their park factor.
And yet, you didn't mention park factors when you brought up FIP in the Chris Sale discussion. Per Fangraphs, from 2011-2013, Chris Sale's home park averaged a 104 park factor. Over the same time period, Felix Hernandez benefited from a 96 park factor, and Adam Wainwright benefited from a 97.
Basically, you oppose FIP when it hurts your case, but are all for it when it supports your case.
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