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But seriously this sucks. Twins have scored 32 runs in 2 games (and this one isn't over yet...)
Maddon is right that the umpire shouldn't have allowed the video review (as the pitcher was on the rubber and the batter in the batters box).
"For purposes of these Regulations, the next 'play' shall commence when the pitcher is on the rubber preparing to start his delivery and the batter has entered the batter's box (unless the defensive team initiates an appeal play in which case any call made during the play prior to the appeal still may be subject to Replay Review)."
unless the defensive team initiates an appeal play in which case any call made during the play prior to the appeal still may be subject to Replay Review
We could have two successful protests in a week, though I suppose it depends on Davidson's explanation to the league office. But it's hard to argue against the Rays' case on the facts.
Do they go back to the point of the replay request and play from there?
That is generally what happens when an appeal is upheld(see Giants vs Cubs earlier this week and the Pine Tar incident)
"I was at third base and I've got everything in front of me," Davidson said to a pool reporter following the game. "I see Buehrle, he's on the rubber, and as I'm seeing Escobar getting ready -- from my judgment -- to get into the box, now I see Gibbons giving the thumbs up that he's coming out. So I thought, in my judgment, that it was in time to file a challenge on the play."
So, let's say Maddon's correct about the rule. Should the protest be upheld? This is one case where the "letter of the rule" is in direct opposition to the "spirit of the rule." Myers was in fact out. Isn't the point of replay to get the calls right? Shouldn't MLB err on the side of getting as many calls right as possible?
In this case, we have 6 more innings of play that happened after the protest.
Do those stats just disappear from the history books?
I don't see any way that Maddon isn't right about the rule* and that the Jays should not have been allowed go to to replay at that point.
Now, it's possible that Davidson can argue that the crew didn't notice/didn't believe that the conditions were in place that would prohibit a review, and if the league concurs the Rays are out of luck. That would be a judgment call.
I don't see anyway that the protest is upheld, regardless of the umpires mistake in allowing the replay, the correct call was eventually made, so there is no basis (other than lawyer ball) to uphold the protest.
Before replay even existed in mlb, there was a Cardinal/Brewer game in which the umpires actually went to a camera and watched a replay and over turned a homerun call, there was a protest on that play, and the league ruled that the umpires were wrong to go to replay, but since the correct call was enacted, that the protest was denied)
You would be wrong. Successful protests are founded on one thing - did the umpires misapply the rules of the game. That's it. Whether the call was correct (the judgment part) is not supposed to be a consideration.
That's true enough. But as anyone with half a lick of common sense knows, when making its ruling the MLB office probably will take whether the call was correct into account, whether they are supposed to or not.
Under Bud, that's probably, if sadly, true.
B) The league hates to uphold protests, even when it should. If your description of events is accurate, the protest should have been upheld.
Why 'sadly'? What, exactly, is the problem with discretionary application of the rules to achieve commonsensical results?
Some people around here obsess over finding the next great valuation metric, or following prospects, or history. I love me some baseball rulebook, and it irks the hell out of me when baseball can't follow it's own ####### rules.
The Cardinals are LHB-heavy without Molina and Craig, and the Phillies have shoved it in their faces tonight.
Why is Jay bunting in front of Bourjos?
Q: On the MLB network, how do they decide whose announcers you're hearing. We definitely have A's announcers on the A's-Angels tilt tonight, at least here in Mariners territory.
Holliday, despite the cockshot thing, is a pretty good fielder.
Holliday, despite the cockshot thing, is a pretty good fielder. Used to be a really good one in his Rockies/A's days.
He's a disaster out there now.
when he is bad it's ugly as heck
Really? I guess my impressions are a few years out of date.
Greenback thinks Adams who is an above average defender is pitiful, and Holliday who is average, is the worst thing ever.
A's take it 2-1 after a tense top of the 9th. I think I have to pull for the A's from here on out, because the M's aren't catching them, and I'd rather play Los Angeles in a 1-game playoff.
No, greenback thinks Adams is a mediocre defensive 1b. And I remember Chris Duncan in LF, who was the worst thing ever. Well, actually Adam Dunn was the worst thing ever, and by the end Jason Bay was worse than Duncan, but obviously they weren't Cardinals.
I think Seattle with Felix has to have a huge advantage in ANY 1 game scenario
My ancestral team (ie, my dad's team) is the Red Sox, but the Mariners are the team I grew up with and have the most instinctual positive feelings towards.
I think Seattle with Felix has to have a huge advantage in ANY 1 game scenario, and the way the Tigers are playing, Seattle may get the opportunity to set things up to their advantage at the end of the season.
With how close the wildcard race is this year, is it likely that the Mariners will be able to save Felix for the wildcard game?
how are they even close to the playoffs?
Crew Chiefs are responsible for determining whether a Manager Challenge is properly and timely made
The Crew Chief shall have the final authority to determine whether a Manager's Challenge is timely. The judgment of the Crew Chief regarding the timeliness of a Manager's Challenge shall be final and binding on both Clubs, and shall not be reviewable by Replay Review or otherwise.
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