Saturday, May 18, 2013
SoE (Megdal): It’s Time to Finally Believe in the Orioles
(www.sportsonearth.com)
Primer’s own Mr. Megdal takes a break from his contractually obligated ball-busting of the Wilpons to point out that Serious You Guys, the Orioles really are a pretty solid team now:
Read More...BALTIMORE—A pair of diametrically opposed views exists about the Baltimore Orioles, 2012’s winner of 93 games and a playoff spot, off to another strong start in 2013.
Outside the Baltimore area, skeptics abound. Sure, the Orioles won 93 games, but their Pythagorean record—a measure of expected wins and losses based ...
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1. escabeche posted on September 19, 2012 at 09:09 AM # hit 0 | hit 0Can he? Was he on the 40-man on Sept. 1?
Yeah, I assume that's why they didn't put Markakis on the DL--not sure who will replace him.
2. Is there any chance he gets a start, or is this to shore up the tired bullpen?
I doubt that it will make him a Super 2. Those guys usually get called up in June.
What I've been reading is bullpen. After last night I'm expecting to see Chris Davis again and possibly Matt Wieters who was also a closer in college. Maybe get an inning or two out of Markakis if he were healthy.
Looks like they should be fine with end of game options if Saunders gives them 5-6, but would need an extra arm if Saunders gets knocked out early or they get into another extra inning affair.
Any player who was in the organization on Aug. 31 can replace an injured player (doesn't have to be 60-day) on the postseason roster. The restriction of a pitcher only replacing a pitcher was eliminated several years ago.
Unless we can do the "Somethingawful gives Trout a nickname" method and get him the nickname, "The Owasso Express".
I can think of a couple of reasons;
1. Cost - It simply costs money to fly people around and while teams make shitloads of money, they don't get rich by spending money unnecessarily.
2. Benefit - There is likely an argument to be made that letting players, particularly young players, head home and rest for the off-season is more beneficial than traveling with the team so they can have a really good seat for a pennant race.
I'm with you in general terms. I think every contender should have a third catcher and probably a designated pinch runner at the very least. In this situation the circumstances that have led to Bundy being called are pretty extreme. At the same time the Orioles are certainly going to be able to get him to Seattle in plenty of time for tonight's game. I wouldn't be shocked if he got a text message or even late night/early morning call about the 14th inning that said "at 9AM some guy is picking you up and taking you to BWI for a flight to Seattle. Bring your glove."
Where is he coming from? Bowie's season is over, and the Instructional League hasn't started, so Bundy could be just about anywhere taking a few days off. The article was posted around noon, so it's not clear if Bundy was notified at dawn. In any event, a Mirabelli-like dash from the airport would only add to the Legend-In-The-Making storyline, although being a road game, the local authorities might not be as cooperative.
The orioles had already called up a ton of people, but I think they wanted Bundy to spend time in the instructional league and didn't want to start his clock.
I also like it applied Michael Kay.
I like that one, or maybe "The Wild Hoss of Owasso".
Yeah, I think Bundy walked four guys in his last start at Double A, so Buck et al wanted him to work on things rather than go to the majors... then again, this season, I should be getting my call-up for the last Tampa series, right?
If you call a guy up, and you send him to the minors the next year, you burn an option year. That might be a concern. If a guy is out of options, you have to DFA him and get him through waivers. You also start clogging your 40 man roster which you may need to think long-term with the Rule 5 draft coming up. I realize these are all secondary concerns to winning a division title, but with the utility of the 39th and 40th guy on the roster helping you in September being quite small, these are valid concerns.
But teams don't tend to have a whole lot of AAAA players on their 40-man rosters. And adding a bunch of those guys to the 40-man would force them to DFA (place on waivers for purpose of outright assignment) some of their prospects to make room.
Yes, but every team has to have some space it can clear. Just looking at the O's because they're the example, Betemit is out for the season and prospect Oliver Drake is on the minor league DL. Both could be 60-day DL'd to make room without losing anyone.
Also, some of those AAAA guys you may want to keep, if not on the 40-man then at AAA, and you'd rather wait for an opportune time to try passing them through waivers.
For most teams, and in the vast majority of circumstances, these guys wouldn't see more than a couple innings or at-bats anyway. The Orioles already had 14 healthy pitchers on their staff, as far as I can tell.
And to be fair, the Orioles have already called some "extra" AAAA guys up. Lew Ford and Steve Tolleson sure aren't prospects.
Well, most of the players I think of as AAAA are going to be eligible for minor-league free agency if dumped from the 40-man roster after the season (and not claimed by another team), so you're not going to be able to hang on to them unless they're willing.
Bundy the Younger, sort of like Pliny the Younger. Bobby is obviously Bobby the Elder.
1. Does this affect Bundy's years under team control?
No it really has no impact on his service time. It's, what, 12 days of service time and you become an FA when you finish a season with a full 6+ years of service time. If he makes the team out of spring training next year and never goes back down, then he becomes an FA at the same time he would have anyway (2019). If the O's want to keep him through 2020, they just need to keep him down for something like 3 weeks. Somebody mentioned super-2 and, yes, if the O's want to keep him from super-2 status for 2016 then they'll have to keep him down for 2 weeks longer than they otherwise would.
Was he already on the 40-man roster? If not then the biggest possible impact is on his option years in that the O's will have to burn an option on him to start him in the minors next year. But that only becomes an issue if Bundy struggles in MLB across a few years, potentially requiring several trips back to AAA. But it doesn't seem likely that a burned option year would bite them in the ass. (If he was already on the 40-man then they already used an option year this year and already had committed to possibly using one next year so nothing is lost.)
Yes. ML deal after the draft.
That's what I thought - all the best to the O's fans here!
If they don't do this at Camden Yards when he pitches there I will be disappointed.
There's McGeorge Bundy, too.
Every member of the Orioles' 40 man roster is now either with the team or injured, except poor Joe Mahoney. This after Showalter gave the usual "We're not going to call too many guys up" spiel on August 31st. In addition, the O's DFA'd Kevin Gregg and Ryan Adams in September order to add Endy Chavez and L.J. Hoes. I'm beginning to agree with the analysis that Duquette spent his decade in the wilderness storing up roster moves and upon his return to MLB he has let loose like Gargantua greeting the Parisians.
Also, Bunderdog.
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