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Related to the total number of angels is the alleged question of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. This was supposed to be a question debated by Christian theologians in the Middle Ages. According to Isaac D’Israeli (1766–1848), the father of the British Prime Minister, Thomas Aquinas once asked: ‘How many angels can dance on the point of a very fine needle, without jostlingone another?’ However, D’Israeli did not read Aquinas. He took this idea from a satirical writer of the seventeenth century. It goes back no further. The idea that theologians debated this question is in fact a modern invention, like the idea that people in the Middle Ages thought the world was flat (they did not—anyone with an education knew the earth was a globe).
ust because I'm a killjoy:
Guns don't kill joy, people kill joy.
Even though I'm by now more than convinced you're a total bozo, because I'm a caring modern liberal here's a clip of Gene Wolfe and Isaac Asimov talking to Calvin Trillin and others, if you haven't already seen it.
Asimov was a lousy writer
Asimov had weaknesses as an author, he is however inner circle HOF for SciFi authors.
And who else is in that inner circle? I wouldn't try to defend my list, but dlf's Mount Rushmore would have Heinlein, Varley, Asimov, and Niven.
? I've read 2001 -- the first 4/5th were a great book, but the last 1/5th was tripe
What DO you like?
can we claim Lovecraft or Howard?
I've read Neuromancer and Snow Crash and thought they were pretty mediocre. Setting aside your opinion of my opinion, would it make sense for me to try reading something else by either of them? If so, which books?
Zimmerman said he lost sight of Martin, got out of his car to call police and was walking back to his vehicle when the 17-year-old attacked him.
“He jumped out of the bushes and he said ‘What the f..k is your problem, homie?’” Zimmerman said on the tape.
“And I got my cell phone out to call 911 this time, and I said ‘I don’t have a problem.’ And he goes, ‘No, now you have a problem,’ and he punched me in the nose.”
In court, jurors listened closely to the tape, while Zimmerman showed no emotion and Martin’s father closed his eyes from time to time.
Zimmerman told police he fell down to the ground after being punched repeatedly. “I tried to defend myself. He just started punching me in the face, and I started screaming for help. I couldn’t see. I couldn’t breathe.”
“He puts his hand on my nose and mouth, and he says ‘You are going to die tonight.’
He said “the suspect” was “mounted on top of me” and began to bang his head onto the ground.
“As he banged my head again, I just pulled out my firearm and shot him,” Zimmerman said.
He said Martin fell backward. “And he’s like ‘Alright, you got me, you got me.'”
‘‘When you look at this monument, the first thing you will notice is that it has a function. Atheists are about the real and the physical, so we selected to place this monument in the form of a bench,’’ said David Silverman, president of American Atheists.
So we're supposed to believe everything Zimmerman said even though he's a proven liar?
Talked to a lawyer last night who believed they could have gotten Zimmerman on manslaughter. Though under Florida law, apparently all you have to do is yell 'he's coming right for me' to then legally shoot someone.
You didn't see his bail hearing? Zimmerman lied through his teeth and the judge absolutely killed him. He lied about the amount of money he had, he lied about having a second passport...the same disgust that was directed at Jaentel for being a liar should also be directed towards Zimmerman. You can trust the guy about as far as you can throw him.
That said, Zimmerman was likely losing the fight, but you don't shoot someone just because you're getting your butt kicked.
Zimmerman started to lose, panicked, and shot the kid. In my eyes, that *should* be the textbook definition of manslaughter. But Florida law, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Talked to a lawyer last night who believed they could have gotten Zimmerman on manslaughter.
It's interesting how differently prosecutors and defense lawyers look at this case.
The talking lawyer heads on tv usually break down along these lines, but actually by and large the prosecutors I've seen on tv commenting on this case think the prosecution's case on second degree murder is very weak bordering on laughable. That's not typical.
#20 - Is there anything other than the Dune series that you would recommend from Herbert? I loved the first, thought the second was ok, made it through the third, tried the fourth, and gave up
The White Plague.
A bit like Children of Men.
Nonsense. Perhaps you've only looked at the photos of Zimmerman after he was cleaned up. Here's a collection of photos, some quite graphic.
I'd call nonsense on calling those images proof of a pummeling myself, but I'm not an expert witness
Asked if there was ANYTHING that Zimmerman had said that contradicted the wealth of evidence possessed by Serino, the Investigator answered, “No, sir.” No physical evidence, no witness evidence, no officer statements, nothing? “No, sir.” In fact, noted O’Mara, the evidence Serino had all fit into a self-defense theory, and Serino agreed that it did . . .
The last O’Mara question of the day, the last words the jury heard to take with them into the evening recess, could only be characterized as catastrophic for the State’s theory of the case. Looking directly at the man who had been the chief investigator on the case, who had possessed access to ever bit of evidence of any sort, who had interviewed, and re-interviewed, and re-re-interviewed–applying increasing from each interview to the next–O’Mara asked him: “Do YOU think George Zimmerman was telling you the truth?” Serino's succinct answer: "Yes." [emphasis added]
Anybody else like Philip Jose Farmer
Suggesting his wounds aren't consistent with his testimony or aren't consistent with a claim of self-defense appears to be incorrect, but perhaps our self-proclaimed experts will enlighten us as to how they reached such a conclusion.
at least the early Riverworld books, the later ones were lacking
I'd call nonsense on calling those images proof of a pummeling myself, but I'm not an expert witness.
That said, Zimmerman was likely losing the fight, but you don't shoot someone just because you're getting your butt kicked. I think his claims of 'having his head slammed repeatedly into the pavement' are quite exaggerated, which the one witness who sorta saw the fight seems to collaborate. His injuries were way too superficial to support that claim.
But it ticks me off that this guy is going to walk over this.
I liked riverworld when I was 16. Wow I think I never read difference engine! Waited sooooo long for the paperback.
I thought "Pattern Recognition" by Gibson was damned brilliant. I liked the ones that followed them up in the same setting too, but they were treading ground that was masterfully exposed in the first one. Not really quite sci-fi, but forward-thinking in innovative ways. (I'd ask what year you read Neuromancer, though.)
As far as Stephenson, a lot of people consider "The Diamond Age" his sci-fi masterpiece, but I really found "Anathem" more to my liking as a narrative; and with the best ending he's yet written, something that has been a constant criticism of his work.
That's an interesting question, and I wonder if the defense would weigh whether there is a benefit beyond a favorable verdict that's worth seeking. Would Zimmerman be more likely to return to a normal life if he testifies and convinces more of the general public of the reasonableness of his actions?
I forget if you've said already, but do you personally, based on the facts you've read, think Zimmerman is guilty of anything, Ray?
manslaughter is indeed on the table, and here it would carry not the usual 15 year sentence but 30 years since Martin was a minor.
So IMO this isn't the typical compromise verdict situation; the jury is going to think long and hard before they convict Zimmerman even of manslaughter.
here's a clip of Gene Wolfe and Isaac Asimov talking to Calvin Trillin and others, if you haven't already seen it.
The legal expert O'Reilly had on who has been following the trial, I think from inside the courtroom, Alex Ferrer (of what I imagine is a Judge Wapner type tv show called Judge Alex),
I shave my head every other day (every day isn't worth the effort). My scalp can bleed so much it runs to my collar, and I won't know it until someone at work points it out. Those pictures don't show anything like the attack Zimmerman has described.
I also like Dick. (I'm secure enough in my own sexuality to leave that as written, but not so secure not to comment on it in a parenthetical.)
However, on the flip side, it's also really, really easy to handle someone in a way that makes them think they are going to die, and when you make someone who might have a gun think they are going to die, sometimes you die. That's not such a bad message to send to society at large.
But "hey, if you have a gun on you, follow random strangers to their homes until they feel threatened enough to defend themselves, and then shoot them dead; it's all good, you were 'defending yourself!'" is a great message to be broadcasting far and wide.
Couldn't it be argued that even if Zimmerman's point of view is accurate, that Martin was acting in self defense?
No, because Florida law is constructed in a manner to never allow a self-defense claim if you die.
L. Sprague de Camp
Eric Frank Russell
Harry Harrison (edit: I see zenbitz cited him)
Just a few off the top of my head that I don't think have been mentioned so far.
A good amount of Dick's work I think of as completely brilliant (Flow my Tears, the Policeman Said specifically), but it also has so much of the Beats in him as far as influenced by mind-altering states that much like the Beats as a non-drinker, non-drug-user, not-ever-mind-altered person it does begin to bore me a bit.
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