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3397. Rickey Fredonia Fudge Duckery Precious Twiddle Posted: June 28, 2013 at 06:15 PM (#4480523)
Lynch Mob Sam is actually proud to be a member of the mob. Shameful. Of course, we know Sam is just a tough guy on the Internet. As someone here noted years ago, if Sam acted in real life the way he does on the Internet, he would never leave the hospital.
I said nothing about a lynch mob, nor has anything I have said indicated a "internet tough guy" projection. This is just Clapper projecting his stupidity into the world, per usual. I have said that if a blood crime were committed against me and mine, we would be very unlikely to wait for the official Mechanisms of the State to render justice. I'm aware that people who have completely internalized their fealty to the state and all its power have a hard time with this, but some of us really do retain our own sense of right and wrong and refuse to defer our judgement in the world to the disembodied dainties of others.
That is to say, some of us walk the walk, where Clapper and all of the other "libertarians" just kiss the ass of the state and try to suck it off so that it pets them on the head first.
That's pretty much how Sam envisions the events of the night in question.
Sam, on what planet is your zip more diverse than mine! Yours was like 65/20 black/white. Mine was like 40/25/15/5 Black/Asian/Hispanic/White.
If you have a Korean food truck, your zip code wins.
That's pretty much the definition of a lynch mob.
So Sam, are you a Hatfield or are you a McCoy?
And for the record, my point about the posers claiming to "defend liberty" around here stands. You can't stand for freedom while licking the boot of the law.
If it's just about morality, it never ends--there can never be closure. Your problem is you scorn the law, but you want your moral conclusions to have an effect in law.
I'm not sure what I would do if I felt there was a gross miscarriage of justice. After all, I don't think I'd do very well in prison and I'm not supremely confident in my ability to exact revenge and avoid getting caught and thrown in jail. On the other hand, I experience the full gamut of human emotions, and I can understand being overcome with rage to the point where I couldn't think clearly.
The leaders of France and Germany added their voices on Monday to the growing outrage over reports that the United States has been spying on its European Union allies, raising new suggestions that talks on a new trans-Atlantic trade agreement may be at risk.
Cairo (CNN) -- Egypt's armed forces sent a stiff message to the country's embattled president and his political opponents and allies, saying Monday that the growing governing dispute must be resolved in 48 hours or it will step in to restore order.
"The armed forces repeat their call for the people's demand to be met and gives everyone 48 hours as a final chance to shoulder the burden of a historic moment in our country which will not forgive any party that will be negligent in bearing their responsibility," it said.
The statement clearly energized a crowd of protesters in Cairo's Tahrir Square, who cheered during key points and cheered military helicopters flying overhead. Some of the helicopters carried Egyptian flags.
A source close to highly placed members of Egypt's leadership said that the military's statement was essentially a demand for political restructuring, including early presidential and parliamentary elections.
The statement is a warning that the military will take over the government if President Mohamed Morsy does not accede to the demands, the source said.
The military's announcement comes the same day the protest movement announced on Facebook that if Morsy doesn't leave office by Tuesday, the Tamarod (the "rebel" campaign") group will begin a civil disobedience movement, call for nationwide protests and march on the presidential palace, where Morsy's administration is running affairs.
On Monday, protesters stormed the main headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood, the party that Morsy led before his election. Armed with Molotov cocktails, the mob set the office on fire, shouting, "The people have toppled the regime."
...How so? Well, to begin with, voter identification laws do not belong to the same moral or legal universe as Jim Crow. Their public purpose, as a curb to fraud, is potentially legitimate rather than nakedly discriminatory, and their effects are relatively limited. As Roberts' majority opinion noted, the voter registration gap between whites and blacks in George Wallace's segregationist Alabama was 50 percentage points. When my colleague Nate Silver looked at studies assessing the impact of voter ID laws, he estimated that they tended to reduce turnout by around 2 percent - and that reduction crosses racial lines, rather than affecting African-Americans exclusively.
A 2 percent dip is still enough to influence a close election. But voter ID laws don't take effect in a vacuum: As they're debated, passed and contested in court, they shape voter preferences and influence voter enthusiasm in ways that might well outstrip their direct influence on turnout. They inspire registration drives and education efforts; they help activists fund-raise** and organize; they raise the specter of past injustices; they reinforce a narrative that their architects are indifferent or hostile to minorities.
This, I suspect, is part of the story of why African-American turnout didn't fall off as expected between 2008 and 2012. By trying to restrict the franchise on the margins, Republican state legislators handed Democrats a powerful tool for mobilization and persuasion, and motivated voters who might otherwise have lost some of their enthusiasm after the euphoria of "Yes We Can" gave way to the reality of a stagnant, high-unemployment economy.
So a lengthy battle over voting rules and voting rights seems almost precision-designed to help the Obama-era Democratic majority endure once President Barack Obama has left the Oval Office. As Sean Trende of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, for all the talk about how important Hispanics are to the conservative future, the Republican Party could substantially close the gap with Democrats in presidential elections if its post-Obama share of the African-American vote merely climbed back above 10 percent - a feat achieved by Bob Dole and both Bushes. If that share climbed higher still, the Democratic majority would be in danger of collapse.
Such a turn of events wouldn't just be good news for Republicans. It would be good news for black Americans, as it would mean that both parties were competing for their votes.
But for now, our politics is headed in the opposite direction. Liberal demagogy notwithstanding, voter ID laws aren't a way for Republicans to turn the clock back and make sure that it's always 1965. But they are a good way for Republicans to ensure that African-Americans keep voting like it's always 2008.
Have to imagine that this is going to end ... poorly.
By the way, it's a new month, and time for a new red diaper doper baby thread.
Unless there is a really horrific level of carnage I can't see how the fall of an Islamist Government would be anything but good, especially in the most populous Arab country.
And if you read the column, you'll see that the point isn't that the Dems are likely to increase their percentage of the black vote, it's that the way the Republicans are going with their Voter ID BS with its clear targeting of the minority electorate,
The "targeting" is only "clear" to people like you who see race at the core of every issue.
You can't stand for freedom while licking the boot of the law.
Why do people consistently refuse to move to the new thread? BEGONE!
I gather from this response that you have no response to the actual point of Douthat's column, or you would have at least tried to come up with something.
One of the greatest speeches in American History
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