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You didn't answer it there. You simply hand-waved the idea that your majority-rule position could trample minority rights and lead to some rather dire outcomes.
Right, so if the Algerians want to be nativists, you have no problem with it and even endorse it. It's only when whitey starts making such noises that you get outraged.
I'm afraid this was non-responsive, just as I had suspected it would be.
The entirely-legitimate governing authority of Algeria (*) decided, and a constituent mob violently rejected the decision.
So, no, you don't really believe that nations get to decide who their citizens are.
You don't really believe a nation gets to decide who its citizens are if you also believe a violent subset can legitimately reject that decision by violence. Those are fundamentally inconsistent.
If you actually believed what you say you believe, you would reject the mob violence that birthed the "new nation."
From 1848 until independence, France administered the whole Mediterranean region of Algeria as an integral part and département of the nation. One of France's longest-held overseas territories, Algeria became a destination for hundreds of thousands of European immigrants, who became known as colons and later, as Pied-Noirs. Between 1825 and 1847, 50,000 French people emigrated to Algeria.[page needed] These settlers benefited from the French government's confiscation of communal land from tribal peoples, and the application of modern agricultural techniques that increased the amount of arable land.
Gradually, dissatisfaction among the Muslim population, which lacked political and economic status in the colonial system, gave rise to demands for greater political autonomy, and eventually independence, from France. Tensions between the two population groups came to a head in 1954, when the first violent events of what was later called the Algerian War began. Historians have estimated that between 30,000 and 150,000 Harkis and their dependents were killed by the Front de Libération Nationale (FLN) or by lynch mobs in Algeria. The FLN used terrorist attacks in Algeria and France as part of its war, and the French conducted severe reprisals and repression. The war concluded in 1962, when Algeria gained complete independence following the March 1962 Evian agreements and the July 1962 self-determination referendum.
Huh? That's ridiculous. The inability to control a separatist, bloodthirsty mob does not cause the ruling government to "lose legitimacy," anymore than the government of France "lost legitimacy" when Hitler occupied its territory.
You're still flailing.
Except the movement for American independence wasn't for racial/religious reasons, nor did it resort to the type of mob violence against innocents as did the revolt against the legitimate government of Algeria. Nor did the independence-minded Americans slaughter en masse those who stayed in America who were loyal to the British crown.
It signed a treaty with Hitler, too, yet still remained the legitimate government of France.
Which doesn't have anything to do with their legitimacy. They signed an agreement at bomb-point, after the mob killed hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Huh? I've answered it ten times now. France decided on the citizenship of France/Algeria. Technically it offered French citizenship rather than demanding it, but a separatist mob rejeted the offer and resorted to slaughtering civilians instead -- to modern liberal applause, then and now.
to modern liberal applause, then and now
Of course it's legitimate. But, notwithstanding your obsession, that's never been the topic under discussion, which has instead been the legitimacy and definition of the governing authority of pre-independence Algeria.
Of course they were. They were obsessed about the races of the various constituents within the territory of Algeria in 1962 as they are obsessed about race today.
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