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1. Colby Cosh posted on January 03, 2008 at 01:50 AM # hit 0 | hit 0Anyway, I wouldn't say he focused on the individuals he "wanted to accuse"; it seems like he focused on the ones there was evidence against. And I'm not sure how else you'd go about it.
cc, I believe "naming names" is the opposite of McCarthyism. One of McCarthy's favorite tactics was to brandish a "list" of "known Communists" (alledged to be employed, for example, in the U.S. Department of State) while actually offering very little in the way of specifics.
Well, maybe... if the report is about naming names. If the report is about what happened and how, though, they might be more willing to talk to journalists. (Besides, as I already mentioned, Mitchell didn't find out any of these names himself; prosecutors did. Their involvement -- and whatever concomitant shame there is -- was already, or would soon be, a matter of public record.) Also, as I also noted, Mitchell does have the equivalent of subpoena power with respect to minor leaguers.
Well, no, actually. Between Canseco, Caminiti, Balco, Grimsley, and the Albany investigation, plenty was out there before the Mitchell report.
Look, based on the Mitchell report we can guess and infer stuff, but it doesn't answer basic questions like, Are these players the tip of the iceberg? Did many hundreds of players use, and it just happened that the feds got one supplier -- Radomski -- out of the scores out there? Or was Radomski the biggest supplier in MLB, so that catching him means that most guilty parties were caught? How often did people actually use? Were the primary users people who got hurt and were trying to come back more quickly? Stars who wanted to become HOFers? Minor leaguers who wanted to become major leaguers? Old players who wanted to stay in the game, young people who wanted to get in the game, or a representative cross-section? When did people actually start -- high school, college, minors, majors?
Was use individual -- did guys decide on their own, based on their own personal experiences, to use steroids? Or was it a team effort -- did certain clubhouses have a 'steroid culture'? Was it just word of mouth that led someone to a supplier -- or did suppliers actively push their wares? Were the people who didn't use those who had moral objections, or health objections, or simply didn't think they needed it, or were they the oblivious sorts who didn't know where everyone else was getting steroids from?
Any or all of these answers would have been more useful -- though far less salacious -- than "Here's a list of names, starting with Roger Clemens, of people who used, talked about using, or met someone who used."
Just wanted to let you know that I put up a blog post this morning, approvingly quoting a good chunk of comment #6. I gave you credit for it by name and linked back to this thread. This afternoon Neyer picked up my post and linked it. I'm paranoid about such things, but I worry that anyone reading Neyer may get the wrong impression that I thought up the questions not answered by the Mitchell Report when it was your work (though to see what those questions are, they have to read my attribution to you).
Anyway, I didn't want to take credit for basically cutting and pasting your analysis, and if you think I am, I will gladly enhance and intensify the attribution as you see fit.
Craig
David rightfully notes that the term "McCarthyism" often confuses McCarthy himself with HUAC and other congressional and excecutive committees, but arkitekton's broader point is valid.
When McCarthy or HUAC actually did "name names," at least a falsely named victim had the chance of answering back, however vague the charge and however unreliable the witness.
But in fact the purest essence of "McCarthyism" was the branishing of terms like "20 years of treason" and other such slanders, all of which had the effect of tarring entire agencies with the "disloyalty" brush. It was repeatedly used by Nixon and other Republican candidates in the heyday of that era (and McCarthy himself even continued it after the Republicans took over the White House), and if there's any proper counterpart to it in our own context, it's encompassed in the term "the steroid era," with the broad suggestion that "we really don't know if any players weren't on the juice."
It was a lazy and nasty bit of mudslinging then, and it's no less nasty in this context today.
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