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Are American deer antlers not up to snuff? I know from my childhood viewing of Marty Stouffer's Wild America that our deer have antler velvet, too. What is this unpatriotic nonsense?
3.tshipman posted on January 20, 2011 at 06:47 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
This reminds me of that clip someone had of Babe Ruth injecting something from sheep testicles or something.
It's 2011. Can't we get rid of homeopathic nonsense?
This reminds me of that clip someone had of Babe Ruth injecting something from sheep testicles or something.
Before insulin could be manufactured with genetically engineered bacteria, it and other hormones were produced by squeezing it out of tons and tons of dead sheep. So he had the right idea.
Like #2 said ... ain't nothing special about NZ deer. In fact, we'd like to get rid of them thanks since they, like all mammals* including me, aren't native.
And our sheep population is dwindling** as well so you might want to stock up on your testes and fresh-squeezed insulin.
*Well, there's a bat or two and a seal or two but they're obviously interlopers too, they just came a long time ago. And apparently once upon a time a small mouse-sized rabbit-y thing that they found fossils of.
NZ has some fairly large scale venison farms, where deer in pens can be lined up to have the velvet removed. With only wild (or mostly wild) deer in US it would be impossible to get critical mass for commercial production.
I've never tried it but I can't imagine it tasting like anything other than shlt. Antlers are particularly stinky. Some guys boil them to get them clean enough to hang and the fumes that come off that can cause a whole neighborhood to wretch. I once drilled into a year old antler in hopes of making a lamp. The smell that came out was crippling in its stank.
11.Gamingboy posted on January 20, 2011 at 07:24 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
And our sheep population is dwindling** as well so you might want to stock up on your testes and fresh-squeezed insulin.
**Too much money in selling dairy to China.
Use the "sell dairy to China" excuse all you want, we can figure out that the sheep have finally risen against you and that there is a Human-Sheep war for domination of New Zealand. It doesn't get much play around here, but that's only because the Sheep haven't attacked any Hobbit-related things yet.
It's 2011. Can't we get rid of homeopathic nonsense?
I prefer a homeopathic approach to homeopathy. The less of it I try, the better I feel.
16.morineko posted on January 20, 2011 at 09:09 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Someone's buying US deer antlers for this sort of thing; my uncle owns a deer farm.
In fact, he told me about velvet-based supplements about 5 years ago....
It's 2011. Can't we get rid of homeopathic nonsense?
Hardly. The world, alas, seems mostly made up of gullible, superstitious folk; it is no surprise that athletes make up a sizable chunk of same.
Is homeopathy worse than the prescription drug craze? Personally, I'm sticking with beer and whiskey as I figure these will be fad cure-alls at some point in the future.
These may be the only cure-alls that aren't a fad.
Hey, leeches are back.
21.BDC posted on January 20, 2011 at 09:32 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
The principles of homeopathy, though, are that like cures like, and that a solution of something distilled to the point where it's nothing but water carries a "molecular memory" of the stuff that is more effective than the stuff itself.
So the cure for a low batting average shouldn't be deer antlers, it should be distilled water that was once in contact with baseballs thrown by Cliff Lee.
NZ has some fairly large scale venison farms, where deer in pens can be lined up to have the velvet removed. With only wild (or mostly wild) deer in US it would be impossible to get critical mass for commercial production.
We have farmed game animals too. Here's a pretty horrifying article about the industry that supplies velvet as well as canned hunts. With the mostly-Asian audience that believed velvet was an impotence drug now no longer under that misconception, thanks to the existence of actual impotence drugs, the producers have invented new medical uses of velvet and new gullible markets for its newly discovered fictitious properties. Instead of going out of business because of their utter pointlessness, the elk farms stick around, transferring animals across continents and spreading prion diseases to wild populations.
In 1992 the association had 700 members; today it has about 255. With the velvet trade moribund thanks to the export of ED drugs and CWD to Asia, with the venison market saturated, and with the once-booming breeder-bull market basically dead, stock has little value for anything save shooter bulls. So the ongoing collapse of elk ranching is growing the canned-hunt business.
Is homeopathy worse than the prescription drug craze?
Given that prescription drugs must at least go through double-blind safety and efficacy clinical trials whereas homeopathic supplements don't...yes, yes it is.
25.Greg (U)K posted on January 20, 2011 at 10:14 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
So you're saying the Baratheons were on the juice?
Mayhaps that explains Robert's ability to wield that war hammer, and Renly's swift decline phase.
What is the purpose of a canned hunt except to identify the worst human beings on the planet?
Second worst. The worst are those who participate in a remote control canned hunt. Nothing like blowing away animals over the internet!
P.S. In the 19th century, homeopathic medicine was often the best available. Other treatments often consisted of things that were actually harmful, whereas homeopathic treatment with dilutes essentially consisted of bed rest, plenty of fluids, and some TLC.
Given that prescription drugs must at least go through double-blind safety and efficacy clinical trials whereas homeopathic supplements don't...yes, yes it is.
Given that homeopathic remedies, thanks to homeopathic theory, actually don't contain any of their active ingredients they surely have an impeccable safety record. And were probably far better for the patient than what medical authorities recommended until modern times.
29.Greg (U)K posted on January 20, 2011 at 10:27 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Given that homeopathic remedies, thanks to homeopathic theory, actually don't contain any of their active ingredients they surely have an impeccable safety record. And were probably far better for the patient than what medical authorities recommended until modern times.
Something to keep in mind for my health and safety talk should I ever land my dream job of time travel tour guide.
30.tshipman posted on January 20, 2011 at 10:37 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Something to keep in mind for my health and safety talk should I ever land my dream job of time travel tour guide.
The single best thing you could do for that gig would be to remind people to:
a. wash their hands/bodies regularly.
b. drink boiled water.
c. carry at least .50 caliber ammunition for dinosaur hunting.
31.Greg (U)K posted on January 20, 2011 at 10:53 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Also key, if someone offers to take care of your kidney stones, say no thanks.
Also key, if someone offers to take care of your kidney stones, say no thanks.
You wanna work for Disney Time Tours or what? I want REAL experiences, not this sissy stuff.
33.Carlo Paz posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:37 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
Deer antler is used in Traditional Chinese Medicine to enhance male vigor for those with a weak constitution. It's very warming and if you take too much you'll get a hell of a headache. It probably stimulates testosterone production.
Comparing TCM to homeopathic medicine makes no sense at all. 2500 years of lab work does not equal superstitious nonsense.
What is the purpose of a canned hunt except to identify the worst human beings on the planet?
edit: Yes, I'm being hyperbolic. But still!
not too hyperbolic. (I'm not a peta person in any sense of the word, and have very little problem with real hunting, but yes, this style of hunting means you are a bad person in your core)
I'd say it is better than going off into the woods and killing some wild animal. At least with a canned hunt the only reason that animal exists is for the hunt.
I'd say it is better than going off into the woods and killing some wild animal. At least with a canned hunt the only reason that animal exists is for the hunt.
If we're not supposed to eat animals then why are they made out of meat?
Given that prescription drugs must at least go through double-blind safety and efficacy clinical trials whereas homeopathic supplements don't...yes, yes it is.
Let me guess, you own a lot of shares in Pfizer or Merck. Adverse reactions to properly prescribed pharmaceutical drugs cause tens of thousands of deaths every year in the US alone. Given that probably 90% of them don't even work at all, and the results of the other 10% that do can be achieved which natural remedies and lifestyle changes, they are not even remotely "safe".
Those ratios sound about right. Damn snake oil salesmen and their useless penicillin.
44.Greg (U)K posted on January 21, 2011 at 04:16 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Those ratios sound about right. Damn snake oil salesmen and their useless penicillin.
Hey, some of us are allergic to penicillin!
I think it's good to have a healthy scepticism of the tendency to medicate everything these days. I try not to use drugs at all. If I get sick, I drink a few litres of orange juice and stay in bed. If I get a headache (I used to get migraines as a kid, which were a lot harder to ignore so I used to take ibuprofen often) I turn off the light and try to sleep. I also was on asthma medication as a kid, and I'm not going to complain about that stuff, probably saved my life. But I am glad I no longer need it.
But I don't see why that's any reason I should instead put my trust in the far less regulated world of homeopathic cures.
I didn't say that all prescription drugs were ineffective, but the ratio of risk/reward is MUCH higher than the medical establishment would have you believe. I was hospitalized for 6 days and almost died when I was a kid from penicillin allergy.
I didn't say that all prescription drugs were ineffective, but the ratio of risk/reward is MUCH higher than the medical establishment would have you believe. I was hospitalized for 6 days and almost died when I was a kid from penicillin allergy.
same with quack vitamins and other new age crap. (actually they are much higher, many contain active ingredients without listing them, mercury is fairly common etc) Beyond that, remember even if you know you are getting a placebo it still works 10% of the time, probably better rate than most of the quack homeotherapies.
This is good a place as any to bring up a recent article from the New Yorker subtitled 'Is there something wrong with the scientific method?'. The issues discussed there are largely obvious/known stuff, but I hadn't thought of the cumulative effect being as large as implied there.
I think we should single out homeopathic remedies as definitely not being dangerous. Maybe they are technically useless but the placebo effect is powerful. It's "herbal supplements" and various things that actually have ingredients which might contain dangerous solvents, hidden stimulants, etc.
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Before insulin could be manufactured with genetically engineered bacteria, it and other hormones were produced by squeezing it out of tons and tons of dead sheep. So he had the right idea.
My Moose Testes?
And our sheep population is dwindling** as well so you might want to stock up on your testes and fresh-squeezed insulin.
*Well, there's a bat or two and a seal or two but they're obviously interlopers too, they just came a long time ago. And apparently once upon a time a small mouse-sized rabbit-y thing that they found fossils of.
**Too much money in selling dairy to China.
NZ has some fairly large scale venison farms, where deer in pens can be lined up to have the velvet removed. With only wild (or mostly wild) deer in US it would be impossible to get critical mass for commercial production.
I've never tried it but I can't imagine it tasting like anything other than shlt. Antlers are particularly stinky. Some guys boil them to get them clean enough to hang and the fumes that come off that can cause a whole neighborhood to wretch. I once drilled into a year old antler in hopes of making a lamp. The smell that came out was crippling in its stank.
Use the "sell dairy to China" excuse all you want, we can figure out that the sheep have finally risen against you and that there is a Human-Sheep war for domination of New Zealand. It doesn't get much play around here, but that's only because the Sheep haven't attacked any Hobbit-related things yet.
Hardly. The world, alas, seems mostly made up of gullible, superstitious folk; it is no surprise that athletes make up a sizable chunk of same.
I prefer a homeopathic approach to homeopathy. The less of it I try, the better I feel.
In fact, he told me about velvet-based supplements about 5 years ago....
Hardly. The world, alas, seems mostly made up of gullible, superstitious folk; it is no surprise that athletes make up a sizable chunk of same.
Is homeopathy worse than the prescription drug craze? Personally, I'm sticking with beer and whiskey as I figure these will be fad cure-alls at some point in the future.
You missed that fad by about a 1000 years or so.
These may be the only cure-alls that aren't a fad.
Hey, leeches are back.
So the cure for a low batting average shouldn't be deer antlers, it should be distilled water that was once in contact with baseballs thrown by Cliff Lee.
We have farmed game animals too. Here's a pretty horrifying article about the industry that supplies velvet as well as canned hunts. With the mostly-Asian audience that believed velvet was an impotence drug now no longer under that misconception, thanks to the existence of actual impotence drugs, the producers have invented new medical uses of velvet and new gullible markets for its newly discovered fictitious properties. Instead of going out of business because of their utter pointlessness, the elk farms stick around, transferring animals across continents and spreading prion diseases to wild populations.
edit: Yes, I'm being hyperbolic. But still!
Given that prescription drugs must at least go through double-blind safety and efficacy clinical trials whereas homeopathic supplements don't...yes, yes it is.
Mayhaps that explains Robert's ability to wield that war hammer, and Renly's swift decline phase.
Second worst. The worst are those who participate in a remote control canned hunt. Nothing like blowing away animals over the internet!
P.S. In the 19th century, homeopathic medicine was often the best available. Other treatments often consisted of things that were actually harmful, whereas homeopathic treatment with dilutes essentially consisted of bed rest, plenty of fluids, and some TLC.
Also: maggots!
Given that homeopathic remedies, thanks to homeopathic theory, actually don't contain any of their active ingredients they surely have an impeccable safety record. And were probably far better for the patient than what medical authorities recommended until modern times.
Something to keep in mind for my health and safety talk should I ever land my dream job of time travel tour guide.
The single best thing you could do for that gig would be to remind people to:
a. wash their hands/bodies regularly.
b. drink boiled water.
c. carry at least .50 caliber ammunition for dinosaur hunting.
You wanna work for Disney Time Tours or what? I want REAL experiences, not this sissy stuff.
Comparing TCM to homeopathic medicine makes no sense at all. 2500 years of lab work does not equal superstitious nonsense.
not too hyperbolic. (I'm not a peta person in any sense of the word, and have very little problem with real hunting, but yes, this style of hunting means you are a bad person in your core)
If we're not supposed to eat animals then why are they made out of meat?
Let me guess, you own a lot of shares in Pfizer or Merck. Adverse reactions to properly prescribed pharmaceutical drugs cause tens of thousands of deaths every year in the US alone. Given that probably 90% of them don't even work at all, and the results of the other 10% that do can be achieved which natural remedies and lifestyle changes, they are not even remotely "safe".
MMMMM, Soylent Green.
There was a sound of thunder.
The internet can only produce words. I need pictures or movies. Eric Schmidt you have failed me, move aside and bring on the new man!
Hey, some of us are allergic to penicillin!
I think it's good to have a healthy scepticism of the tendency to medicate everything these days. I try not to use drugs at all. If I get sick, I drink a few litres of orange juice and stay in bed. If I get a headache (I used to get migraines as a kid, which were a lot harder to ignore so I used to take ibuprofen often) I turn off the light and try to sleep. I also was on asthma medication as a kid, and I'm not going to complain about that stuff, probably saved my life. But I am glad I no longer need it.
But I don't see why that's any reason I should instead put my trust in the far less regulated world of homeopathic cures.
I was hospitalized for 6 days and almost died when I was a kid from penicillin allergy.
Man, we should ban penicillin because of your anecdote. Clearly the risks are too great and the rewards too little when it comes to penicillin.
Not even remotely true and could not possibly be true.
And the other 10% can be replaced with "natural remedies". Presumably Kevin Trudeau's.
same with quack vitamins and other new age crap. (actually they are much higher, many contain active ingredients without listing them, mercury is fairly common etc) Beyond that, remember even if you know you are getting a placebo it still works 10% of the time, probably better rate than most of the quack homeotherapies.
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