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Even 2 or 3 more pretty good years will put him close to 80 WAR and 2800+ hits. That should be a pretty easy trip into the Hall at that point.
A feat worthy of a congratulatory pat on the head.
Man, when he became a free agent from Seattle, I wanted him _so bad_ for Philly. I assumed that he would hit better anywhere but Seattle, but I really wanted him for his defense.
Man, when he became a free agent from Seattle, I wanted him _so bad_ for Philly.
At that point, he's Craig Biggio, and gets in pretty easily, right?
Hadn't perused George Brett stats in awhile and never realised he led the league in triples 3 times!
I get the sense that Beltre's greatness is gaining wider appreciation. Or is that just the echo chamber in here?
3,000 hits should put him over, but it won't make him Craig Biggio by any means. Biggio: one franchise, popular in the press, gritty, scrappy, played all over the diamond. Beltre: Sullen, sulky, only plays big in contract years, on his fourth franchise. Not my perceptions, but I think at least somewhat accurate of what the perception the BBWAA is.
He started so young that he's just now 35. Assuming he stays healthy, he would only need to average 100 hits per year until age 40 to reach 3000.
Sullen, sulky, only plays big in contract years, on his fourth franchise. Not my perceptions, but I think at least somewhat accurate of what the perception the BBWAA is.
and pave it with Astroturf!
Who looks at heat absorbing, knee wrecking astroturf and says "I need to get me some of that"?
Beltre will need 3000 hits to make the HOF. It's not right, but that's the way it is.
Let's not assume he'll be healthy enough to surge past 3,000 though.
Him getting 3,000 is, at this moment, likely. But him staying healthy enough to not be Biggio and dragging his ass over the line is no given.
Beltre's been doing really well I know but I still suspect he's more likely to be Damon, Alomar, Vlad, Jim Rice. And Rfield has him as slightly negative defensively last year and this.
I'm guessing this is sarcastic, but why would anyone ever put artificial surface in an outdoor stadium? I've read that they used to have it at Cincinnati, too. Who looks at heat absorbing, knee wrecking astroturf and says "I need to get me some of that"?
Beltre has a reputation of being sullen and sulky
What's the Favorite Toy say about Beltre? I have no idea how to do it.
What's the Favorite Toy say about Beltre?
I'm guessing this is sarcastic, but why would anyone ever put artificial surface in an outdoor stadium? I've read that they used to have it at Cincinnati, too.
Did I miss any?
Beltre has a reputation of being sullen and sulky
Do you think part of that reputation stems from the fact that his face just has a naturally angry look to it? If he were a woman, I believe the term would be "resting bi-otch face."
Montreal was an outdoor stadium for a while, and KC was definitely turfed over for much of its history.
Beltre picked the right ballpark for stat padding.
I know that certain ballparks favor pitching or hitting to a certain degree, and based on all ballplayers, it's usually on the order of up to 15% or maybe a touch more at the extremes.
But I really wonder how much of it is a psychological thing. Yes, Safeco in Seattle is a good pitcher's park. But some hitters such as Beltre acted like they would never hit again if they kept playing there. The precipitous drop in his stats was way beyond anything you could really attribute to the park itself. Others have had the same issues.
When Beltre went to Boston it was like his bat was reborn and his numbers jumped dramatically, leading to the renaissance his career is currently going through. I know Fenway is a good place to hit, but it's not Coors Field circa 2000, although the jump in Beltre's stats might make you think it was.
It's just weird how some players seem to react to certain parks to much bigger extremes than one would think logical.
Could be partially psychological, but a right handed bat with good but not great pull power, puts the ball in play a lot, relatively few walks is exactly the kind of hitter Safeco punishes the most. And that's Beltre to a T.
I doubt the writers would be able to ignore a 3B with that kind of resume forever. He won't be first ballot, but I think he'd be elected before his 15 years were up.
They took six years to figure out Mathews with a much less crowded ballot
They took six years to figure out Mathews with a much less crowded ballot (totally different electorate, I'll concede). Given 15 years though, I think you're right that he'll eventually get in via the writers.
but the majority of writers in Beltres 10th-15th year on the ballot, will not have worked one day in print media
Regarding career numbers, I don't think he gets there, but I've been tracking his progress towards 500 2B
It's closer than I'd like, but I'll still say guys with ink in their veins own a slight majority.
The Favorite Toy gives him pretty good odds :)
Each way I slice it, I come up with about 50%. Add in my gut distrust of out of nowhere improvements and I think he's more likely to not make it. If you want to do a small bet fine.
Ziggy Posted: June 25, 2014 at 04:34 PM (#4735555)
I know that this has been discussed here frequently, but I doubt that Beltre has an easy trip to the hall. The excerpt mentions Buddy Bell, and while Beltre is better than Bell, you can see the voters not seeing it. Bell was a five time all-star who won a bunch of gold gloves. Beltre is a three time all star, with fewer gold gloves. He'll have better mainstream offensive stats than Bell, but he also played through the heart of the silly ball era. And not that many voters pay attention to WAR. Maybe 3000 hits will do it. I dunno.
That for much of his career he simply hasn't been an elite offensive player. I don't trust miracle transformations -- granted, it's a long miracle now so I'm probably wrong.
to this minute i do NOT get why the angels were so eager to get rid of napoli. agree he was not jonathan lucroy with the glove, but he certainly wasn't matt LeCroy
Also, I don't recall Brett as having a great rep with the glove, but I did not see him much at the time.
McGriff Braves, Rays, or Jays
Despite having played roughly 450 fewer games there, Beltre's Texas career is extremely close to his Dodger career in WAR - the Rangers will become his plurality-of-WAR team by the end of the year if he keeps playing anything close to as well as he is right now.
Speaking of which, Beltre is hitting just over .400 since June 2.
Beltre: Sullen, sulky, only plays big in contract years, on his fourth franchise. Not my perceptions, but I think at least somewhat accurate of what the perception the BBWAA is.
If Rolen does well, then that bodes real well for Beltre. But if he does poorly, as he is likely to, I don't think it says much.
I'd agree with that. If the voters are at all friendly to Rolen, Beltre is in good shape.
Hasn't Donaldson's bat cooled quite a bit? I don't quite accept the defensive component for WAR (although that also is a great part of Beltre's value). Beltre is +++ in the field playing 90% of his games at 3rd. I am skeptical that currently Donaldson is a significantly better fielder than Beltre.
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