Monday, June 10, 2013
Rangers TV man Tom Grieve calls Blue Jays’ Jose Bautista a ‘crybaby’
(www.dallasnews.com)
Well, at least he didn’t call him Hatchet-Face.
Read More...Bautista looked at strike one, tried to check his swing but couldn’t on strike two then swung at strike 3 in the dirt. After he swung at strike three he had a few choice words for the home plate umpire. He then tossed his bat, helmet and elbow pad on the field in protest before leaving.
Once Bautista was thrown out, Grieve had this to say…
“You turn into a cry baby when you act like that. Go sit down and look at the pitch and then apologize to ...
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< 1 2 3 4 >I'm a personal choice zealot.
Are you saying that he should continue a dangerous addiction until November on the chance that it MIGHT affect his performanace on the field ? Think about what you are saying man. Come on.
So if Hamilton were an alcoholic who went dry with the help of AA, you'd be against that, too?
Are you involved in the Rangers?
Also, Hamilton's pretty much in his prime now or damn near close to it. If "you" want to play only prospects or inferior players who happen to be 26 rather than a better player who is 31 (which is not old in baseball terms, contrary to pervading thinking at bbtf), your teams generally will not be very good.
Yes. It really is that essential to stop using tobacco as soon as possible. Tobacco products are terrible for you. Suggesting that somebody should continue to intentionally cause long-term potentially fatal harm to their body so they can hit a baseball well is ####### ridiculous.
Yes. It really is that essential to stop using tobacco as soon as possible. Tobacco products are terrible for you. Suggesting that somebody should continue to intentionally cause long-term potentially fatal harm to their body so they can hit a baseball well is ####### ridiculous.
The hysteria about dip has reached Reefer Madness levels of hysteria. Won't someone think of the children?
I didn't say I opposed it, I said it's annoying. It is. Hamilton's Jesus drama is self-absorbed and annoying to many others. A poster yesterday (I don't recall who) said that if JH can't handle being in a clubhouse with champagne, he needs a lot more non-religious help.
Can't one be pleased that a person is working hard to battle a problem and also annoyed by billboard religiousity?
So what if it's preachy and annoying. I can't stand some of the stories written about Hamilton (ooh look his teammates use ginger ale to celebrate with!), but damn, who cares what his reason for stopping is.
How do you know he didn't use the patch or chew gum? Those don't always work.
So it wasn't very hard for you, so what? Are you an addict? Have you almost destroyed your life with heroin? Nicotine is at least as addictive as any hardcore drug out there (chemically speaking - as alluded to in the previous sentences it's obviously different for everyone).
No, it really hasn't. Reefer Madness portrays people going insane and killing other people after smoking weed, suggesting dip causes oral cancer is not even close to the same thing. Do you honestly think dip is not harmful?
I was just asking a question. I have no experience quitting dip. I do have quitting squares. It was just a question.
Dip doesn't "cause" oral cancer; it increases the odds of incurring oral cancer, which remain very small even for dippers. Dip is not so "harmful" as to cause a clear and present danger necessitating immediate action or anything remotely close. That suggestion is hysterical.
If I were a teammate of long standing, my empathy and sympathy would be at a pretty low ebb right now. Worse still, I'd have to work for Nolan Ryan. I'd rather play in Seattle.
How does converting to Islam make you healthier? That analogy really does not work. If Hamilton decided to become a vegan and starved himself then yes, he should be criticized, and so should the team trainers and doctors for not paying attention to him. But why would becoming a vegan lower ones athletic performance? Tony Gonzalez touts his mostly vegan diet for remaining in the NFL for so long (as the best TE ever, so he's doing ok).
Which line ? I can even see where MY line of argument can be seen as crazy. ;)
My point was that the religious stuff is probably at least part of what's helping him let go of the substances. He's transferring his compulsive behaviors to more benign targets, including the "opiate of the masses". Even if you aren't religious and don't care for overt displays of religious belief, I'd think you'd still be willing to grit your teeth and cut Hamilton some slack, under the circumstances.
Oh come on now, you give us too much credit!
*) It's a biblical concept! Pretty Old Testamentey though.
The one in which 2 (I think it's just 2) people are claiming that Josh Hamilton owes it to his employer to maintain a terribly unhealthy habit until it fits with their schedule, based on the insane idea that it will help him hit baseballs better.
Shooty, your crazy ideas are tied exclusively to Spurs discussions (I kid).
Ha! So have Others
Eat #### Nolan Ryan, you hypocrite.
Some more for those still feeling cavalier with someone elses health so their fantasy team can move from 3rd to 2nd....
By that standard, radiation doesn't "cause" cancer, either, but that doesn't mean I'd willingly expose myself to a "hot" environment for a few months just to make my boss happy.
It really is surreal. I just can't fathom insisting someone continue to use tobacco for the good of the employer.
And then I remembered I was arguing with SBB and have decided to move on.
"insane idea"? Using dip is what he's used to. It's part of his routine. He probably perceives it as keepin him calm and focused. You don't think that experiencing withdrawal symptoms, combined with the usual fidgeting and uncertainty that comes with forcing oneself to quit a habit, MIGHT make him hit baseballs worse?
Wait, you're not new here.
I gotta say, from my vantage point, the overt displays of religiosity are matched pretty well by the overt hostility towards it, on the obnoxiousness scale.
Except no one ever said he "owed" it to his employer, only that his employer is in the right for being disappointed in his inability to manage his life better, in that inability denigrating his work performance, and for those things impacting its willingness to continue the relationship.
This incessant idea around here that a player can just do whatever he wants whenever he wants and be immune from all criticism and sanction from his employer, be it manager or front office, is pure fanboy.
Addict with a generally positive recovery story continually invokes his Lord and Savior to get attention. Josh, we're proud of you, homey. But there's a lot of guys in the major leagues today with pretty intense religious beliefs who are able to mostly keep it to themselves.
That's your interpretation. I have no idea what goes through Josh Hamilton's head, so I don't ascribe motivations to his actions. That's DiPerna territory.
Exactly. Nolan Ryan would have no complaints if Hamilton had suddenly decided to quit tobacco on November 9.
I seem to recall that BBTF is anti-truck washing when it comes to player behavior... Also, the extremes in the sentence of yours I've quoted give me a good chuckle. SOYLENT GREEN! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! DON'T GET COCKY! BUZZ LIGHTYEAR TO THE RESCUE!
So at the time they traded for him, they were unaware that he was using chewing tobacco, or that he might want to quit in the future? If so, isn't that the fault of their scouts rather than Hamilton?
This implication that doing something that will positively affect his ACTUAL HEALTH and life, but may adversely affect his baseball performance, represents an "inability to manage his life better" is disgusting.
Since AA isn't very effective and is thoroughly God-soaked, I wouldn't be real big on it. I'd wish him the best, but I don't think it's the best way to go about one's business.
This implication that doing something that will positively affect his ACTUAL HEALTH and life, but may adversely affect his baseball performance, represents an "inability to manage his life better" is disgusting.
Joe? Joe Buck?
These players are paid a ton of money to perform on the baseball field. If you make odd decisions for strange reasons that make you not perform on the baseball field, you're not going to make your employer happy. I don't know how anyone could be confused about these facts of life, but facts of life they are.
The Texas Rangers aren't paying Josh Hamilton to reduce his odds of getting oral cancer from tiny to less tiny. Simple as that.
This is only true if one believes message board posts to be equivalent to pro athletes feeling the need to constantly inform people of their religious beliefs. I don't think I've ever seen an atheist athlete make a big deal of having a problem with religion.
Also that article answers one question I had -- he's been chewing tobacco since he was 20 (he's now 31).
In what way is the decision to quit voluntarily subjecting yourself to a known carcinogen odd?
And sure, I guess he clearly didn't make his employer happy, but Hamilton's OWN DAMN LIFE is more important than his employer's happiness. Yes, he's paid a lot of money, but the fact of the matter is that his own health is still more important, or rather, should be more important, than his baseball performance.
I still can't grasp this baffling inconsistency with PED use. PED use is unhealthy but is supposed to increase baseball performance, but anybody that tries to improve performance through drug use is a bad person, but the same goes for anybody that tries to improve their health by stopping drug use...
Such as if you refuse to try steroids, even though they might make you stronger.
Changing a routine, in a sport known for routine, and subjecting oneself to withdrawl symptoms in the middle of the season on the basis that you think you're making God angry (his words indicate that's his reasoning, I'm not making things up) is pretty damned odd to me. Perhaps you disagree, but surely you can see why some would think this to be odd behavior?
I agree with this. It's exactly why I was never all that bent out of shape about PED use. Using PEDs is an entirely understandable, and perhaps even rational decision, during the '90s.
Not to his employer, it isn't. What's important to his employer is Josh Hamilton producing on the baseball field.
I don't see why the forum, or the speaker, makes much of a difference, on how obnoxious a comment is. That has always struck me as a weak cover.
That doesn't mean that the religious reasons don't circle back onto health reasons. Christian disapproval of tobacco (and other recreational drugs) comes from 1 Corintians 6: 19-20. "What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."
Sounds like the Bible's saying that it's your Christian duty to stay in good shape, doesn't it? So isn't that at the heart a health-based reason, even if it's presented within religious terminology?
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