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It didn't seem to add up at the time because nobody saw this on the horizon, but I guess now we know who leaked that Gonzalez texted ownership to whine about the manager.
Wasn't the entire second page of the waiver claim thread full of Ray claiming that?
Is Pedroia going to be next?
are the Sox sending $12 million per year for 6 years to the Dodgers, or $12 million total?
this would mean that Valentine is likely safe, at least into 2013, right?
c) I don't understand the groupthink developing that Ortiz is absolutely coming back. If the Sox are "punting" 2013 in exchange for payroll flexibility here, what could a zillion-year-old DH provide for them?
d) the hot stove could be essentially over in August. Has that ever happened before?
9,11 - The "idiot fanboy proposal" reaction to the first report looks humorous in retrospect.
Tom Werner just described James Loney as "untouchable" a couple years ago. Does anyone here remember any time in which James Loney, who makes Adrian Gonzalez look like Jimmie Foxx, was in that category?
the hot stove could be essentially over in August. Has that ever happened before?
I don't think so. I think all of these actions pretty clearly prove that high level management has decided that the malcontents are the real problem, not Valentine. I think he gets one more chance next year.
Slap me with a drumstick and call me the Colonel, I haven't seen a purge like this Fidel took over.
That said, I'm a lot less optimistic than MCoA about the short-term implications.
The hot stove season has started early and it's going to be insane.
They work for the company, not for me. If there's some sort of conflict between me and the company, they'll side with the company and find a way to get me out of there.
What contracts do people think Gonzalez, Beckett, and Crawford would get if they were free agents this winter? Seems like a huge overpay for the Dodgers, almost entirely because of Crawford.
How about a trade that's equally toxic for both parties?
the Red Sox, with their two World Series titles last decade (and that seems a long time ago, yeah?), are playing in a market big on expectations and short on patience.
, it does create one problem.
There is no middle of the order.
The job for 2013 is tough, and I don't mean to undersell how difficult it is to bring in the talent the Sox need, but the baseline job was going to be even tougher, I think.
@53: Most of the league goes on trade waivers in August, to gauge interest. Most of those guys get pulled back.
The top three threads in Hot Topics are varieties of this trade-which-is-not-yet. IMHO, Jim (and others) need to find a way to "group" topics so that people who simply don't care about this particular story can still navigate the site and find other discussions.
I'm aware of that. But right after this trade? I'm not chalking it up to coincidence.
In 2012, I think this trade helps the Rays more than the Yankees or Orioles. The Gonzalez-less (and Beckett-less, though I think that matters less) Sox play them six times in the last month.
Pretty hard to be a baseball fan and not care about such a huge, unprecedented deal.
Do you think Crawford regrets opting for TJS in August? The Dodgers - his Dodgers - might well make a playoff run and could use even an enfeebled left fielder.
I'm not getting this.
The Red Sox play the Orioles an Yankees 6 more times too. Their last 24 games are six apiece against the rest of the division.
If it was between the Royals and Pirates, it would still draw energetic discussion and interest. But I don't believe that four of the top five stories in Hot Topics would be devoted to it.
And trading Lester during his worst year would be dumb.
If this was the Yankees, or Phillies, or any big market team making the trade, I think you'd see a bunch of threads.
I'd say this was a work of daring and genius on the part of their front office that should pay dividends for years to come.
Like trading Beckett and Gonzalez during their worst years?
People who don't want to talk about it have no other way of knowing what discussions are going on
Without reading the comments and without knowing what the Red Sox will do with the $275 M, off the top of my head I'd say this was a work of daring and genius on the part of their front office that should pay dividends for years to come.
Bill Shaikin of The Los Angeles Times reports (on Twitter) that the Blue Jays are believed to have claimed De La Rosa off waivers, but he was pulled back and is likely to be included in the deal as a player to be named later.
Trading for Upton is an intriguing idea, but he's coming off a very disappointing season and it is far from a sure thing that he'll bounce back, particularly in the Boston environment. The fact that the D-Backs management appears to be intent on running him out of town raises some red flags -- while whatever problems Upton is having with the D-Backs may well not be his fault, it doesn't bode particularly well for his ability to handle the situation in Boston.
"The good thing is that he was honest,'' Upton said in response to Kendrick's comments. "He didn't sugarcoat it. … And I respect that. He said what he meant, and he said what he felt from his heart, and he's always backed his team.''"
"You know what? To be honest with you, I don't care anything about what the fans think of me," Upton said "My teammates, my coaches, they know I come in here and I bust it every single day. I come in here and try to do everything I can to help this team and my teammates have my back."
If you look at his stats he's the exact same player as he's been the 3 years prior, just without the power. His OBP, his speed, his defense, all there. It's very clear he's been nursing at least one or more nagging injuries
Boston is now the clear #1 contender to land Josh Hamilton
Don't know all the players involved, but the winner is Carl Crawford. He had to get out of that stadium, if there is one stadium in baseball designed to counter all his value/skills, it's Fenway. He's going to go out and post 115+ ops+ and people are going to say getting away from the pressure of Boston is why, when we know the reality is getting away from Fenway is why(of course that is if he ever becomes healthy to play everyday)
I wonder if Crawford will have the surgery? The Dodgers have Victorino, Ethier, and Kemp, so it seems like they could tell Crawford to do it.
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