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Also, is the phrase "unveil his Magnum" as gross as it sounds?
"With numbers like that, the Red Sox would have to be pretty incompetent not to be able to re-distribute this money to new players at a benefit to the team."
What was the last bit of evidence that the current front office is not "pretty incompetent"?
My vote is to spend all the money on the construction of Brazilian, Dutch, and Australian baseball academies.
I think Nate missed two of the more likely Red Sox FA targets for the offseason in post 14: Josh Hamilton and Nick Swisher. Swisher in particular is a really good fit, either replacing Gonzalez at 1B or Crawford in LF. Or doing some split between those spots around other fill-ins.
Well, whether this trade is good or bad, they have a ton of money and enough prospects to make some big deals. A few hours ago, this team was set in stone. Now, i have no idea which direction they're going in. They're going to be awful next year, but at least there might be something other than clubhouse drama to pay attention to.
Without doing something huge like this, there was almost nothing they could do to improve the team besides hope really, really hard that their star players stop playing like dogshit.
Is there a way to place John Lackey in Beckett's luggage?
I called it Smile, Darren preferred Magnum.)
I wouldn't have punted on Beckett in isolation (and can see the side of the argument that Gonzalez would be worth his deal), but getting rid of Crawford too and possibly getting talent back makes this a good deal.
I can't wait to see Andrew McCutchen in a Bosox uniform.
MC, Can you share your Marcels for Beckett? His peripherals are pretty good and ZIPS rest of season has him putting up a 3.75 ERA.
Yes, they get rid of Gonzalez, Beckett and Crawford but they still have to replace them and the fact is it is unlikely that they are going to be able to reliably do so at the same or less money.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the team brought back Pena and everyone crowed over what a great move it was.
At a minimum that's 12 WAR walking out the door.
AGon is a ####### god on a steal of a contract!?
I need to check the spreadsheets, but I'm pretty sure I've got Crawford/Gonzalez/Beckett at 8-9 WAR for next season, and less and less as time goes by.
AGon is a ####### god on a steal of a contract!? GD IM LIVID.
Im high on them for some dumb reason i guess.
Dave Cameron loves this (still not completed) trade for the Red Sox. Next we'll be hearing confirmation from Will Carroll that he's seen the official trade documents in the commissioner's office ready to go.
Im high on them for some dumb reason i guess.
They have to replace their contributions for, what, about $60 mil/year? That seems quite doable.
@Kevin_Goldstein: Hearing that Red Sox/Dodgers deal is currently awaiting commish approval. Standard procedure when any money is in deal.
I have a lot more confidence in the front office's ability to go get an impact player or two via trade, and now they have a deeper farm system with more ML-ready prospects to dangle. This is a good thing, in my estimation.
At least Ray thinks it's never going to happen.
It seems hard to believe, but there really is a decent chance that Lackey comes back from TJS as a decent pitcher. It's by no means a given, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's better than Beckett next year, for example. I hate Lackey as much as anyone else does, but I don't think we need to jettison him before seeing if he's able to rebound with a healthy elbow.
I just want to feel like there's a plan.
Spending $ on FA isn't a Plan A
I suspect a lot of the plan is hanging out in Portland, ME right now.
Seeing guys come up, do well... that's fun. Buying John Lackey... not fun. Buying Nick Swisher... not fun.
I'll bet Amaro is wishing he could dump Howard's contract on ol' Ned right now...
I'm pretty sure that almost all the douchey things about Swisher that are grating today would become reasonably endearing once he had an 850 OPS for the Sox.
He already missed the chance to unload the Lee contract on the Dodgers.
But 2004 was fun, right? That was a lot of intelligently bought players. Winning... that's fun.
You guys are forgetting, this team was headed to 72-90 WITH AGon. This isn't Moneyball. Spreading the WAR out to replace AGon is just going to get you to 72-90.
You're also shitting yourself because the Sox are getting rid of a nine figure contract for a 30-year-old fatass who's having a shitty season.
Doesn't Occams razor suggest that with Crawford being 2 years removed from a great season, Lackey not being what they thought they were getting, Beckett being uneven....that the problem is not with the players but with their surroundings? How the eff does it help to get a new liver if you keep drinking like a fish?
Swisher is getting $10.25M this year and isn't really having a year that suggests he'll take a pay cut.
On Swisher, Matt, well, you're probably right. He seems like he's trying, like he's playing at being that bro for marketing reasons, which grates. But that's could easily be just the uniform talking. (If anyone has better evidence, I'll walk it back again.)
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