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Why the hell did the ref wave Tom McMillen away from the baseline when he was trying to defend the in-bounds pass? Was that an international rules thing?
My point being, it was obviously a huge win, and a huge loss. You can disagree, but you can't laugh it out of the room, IMHO.
now I believe Tyson was largely a hype-created bully, who quickly panicked when in a real fight.
YR is the boxing expert here. He says so, I'll believe it. Otherwise, not so much.
More unexpected than Buster Douglas's beating Mike Tyson?
My original claim is that the 2004 ALCS/WS is the biggest victory in American sports history,
"Champs no more! Champs no more! Hahahahahaha! My 3 year nightmare is over!"
I think what we see here is a fine illustration of why Yankee fans have so much more character than the rest. A Yankee fan roots for the Yankees. The rest of you cockroaches get to root for the field, and it's considered poor manners to point out what a shameless cadre of gutless bandwagon-hopping jockriders you all are.
Sure. I have almost no recall of the 1980 hockey win -- it meant nothing to me at the time. It obviously meant something to plenty of people, but as I said, this is a pretty subjective exercise. Just scanning the SI list (which SBB correctly observed was in order of year, not "greatness"), I would put these ahead of the "Miracle": Bobby Thompson, Jesse Owens in Berlin, Bannister's 4-minute mile, Mays '54 catch, Ali-Liston, Ali-Frazier, Namath/Jets '69, Secretariat triple-crown, King v. Riggs (yes), Aaron 715, Thrilla in Manilla, Game 6 1975 Series, Comaneci 1976 Olympics. OK, that takes me thru the 1970s, so I'll stop there. I would also add Robinson '47 and Louis vs Schmeling. And Jim Thorpe in the 1912 Olympics probably belongs too, but that was a little before my time.....
My original claim is that the 2004 ALCS/WS is the biggest victory in American sports history,
Only Red Sox fans would pump it up to any heights of importance.
Gee, the 2004 WS really hurts, eh CFB? Its a huge huge story. Your anti-East Coast bias is showing. It was a top NEWS story all over the world. Not just a sports story. The 85 Royals did'nt generate that kind of international intrest.
The first 3-0 comeback in the sport is a big deal. It would have been a big deal if it was the Rays over the Mariners.
Heck of all the World Series and playoffs that the Cardinals have been in, in my lifetime, the 2004 World Series is at the bottom of the list for painful loss.
Who really cares about them outside of Boston?
You apparently, if you are so hell-bent on pretending that losing a world series with a 105 win team was not as disappointing as losing some LDS's or some blowout NLCS's. Somewhat paradoxically, your forced effort to contribute to the (somewhat justified) backlash against east coast over-hype makes you seem like someone who cares a lot about the Sox - as you go out of your way to pretend that the '04 ALCS was just another ho-hum playoff series.
Trust me 2012 hurts a hell of a lot more than 2004. Heck of all the World Series and playoffs that the Cardinals have been in, in my lifetime, the 2004 World Series is at the bottom of the list for painful loss.
Red Sox vs Yankees I don't think that the 2004 Yankee/Red Sox would crack the top ten of great series, I'm not sure it would crack the top three playoffs of either teams personal list
agree with this, but i'm already over 2012; it was a wild ride, and everything after the WC playoff was a bonus.
By the way, I'm reasonably certain that the diminutive YR semi-plagerizes most of his "expert content".
2) Tyson was only effective on the offensive. If you backed him up, his power was dissipated. That's what Douglass did. He was bigger and had longer arms and he kept backing him up and pushing him around. Tyson had no backup plan
I'm not buying the "eh, the 2004 comeback was okay, I guess" line at all. Totally unconvincing. But the 2005 White Sox had an incredible 8-0 sprint at the finish, and the 1999 Yankees went an incredible 8-1, and the 1989 A's went an incredible 8-1, and the 1984 Tigers went an incredible 7-1. When these sprints happens once every six or seven years, maybe they're a little bit credible.
that doesn't really make it historic (Like Jesse Owens is for example).
Again, the East coast bias showing in your posts. NOBODY cares about the Red Sox west of Atlanta. The Yankees sure, but the Red Sox? Who really cares about them outside of Boston? And top news story over the world, give me a break. It was a come from behind victory...yippee, good for them. But seriously hardly anybody cares about the Red Sox, the Yankees barely care about the Red Sox. Only Red Sox fans care about the Red Sox and only they hype this #### up.
YR plagerizes directly from Jack Chick. Its no stretch of the imagination to expect him to lift passages from long-forgotten old Ring Magzine articles, especially since Burt Sugar's dead, to prop-up the pathetic, ongoing and intentionally insulting little personna he has developed.
From a nonpartisan perspective, 2003 was a better LCS than 2004.
I'd never heard of Jack Chick until now.
since the Sox' clincher in the World Series brought fewer eyeballs to TV sets than Game 7 of Indians/Marlins in 1997 (*), D'Backs/Yankees in 2001, and Giants/Angels in 2002.
I personally wasn't aware that sports history started at the turn of the millenium, but I guess it has to for these purposes, since the Sox' clincher in the World Series brought fewer eyeballs to TV sets than Game 7 of Indians/Marlins in 1997 (*), D'Backs/Yankees in 2001, and Giants/Angels in 2002.
All I've said is that it didn't affect me nearly as much as many other Yankee losses. CFB is saying the same thing about the Cardinals. The idea that everyone reacts in the same way to sporting events is surely one of the weirder ideas I've ever seen offered here.
It drew 15% more watchers than Game 7 of Marlins-Cubs.
It's like someone calling someone else every day just to tell them "I don't care about you! I'm not thinking about you!"
Game 7 in 2004 drew a 56 rating in Boston and a 31 in NYC -- two massive markets.
It is baseball in general that is the accounting for taste; once you're over that line, allowing for the fact that you are already following baseball, calling that specific event a matter of taste as opposed to historic seems equally inaccurate.
Ok, then there hasn't been a single "historic" event in American sport for at least several decades. If you want to define your terms this way, you can, but it's not the way people actually use them in discussions about sports.
It's as if by not "admitting" my alleged deep grief and sorrow over an event which...
...this sort of non-bipolar rooting ...
And yes it is a sports thing, and so in many ways not as significant (in my opinion) as events which cross over into non-sports. Jesse Owens, Jackie Robinson, some of the Ali stuff, and so on.
I rooted for the ####### Red Sox in the 2004 World Series. I rooted for the Red Sox in the 2007 World Series.
"The Catch" remains the most significant sports event for me (and many people, btw)
No, it's more like someone who spends his life obsessing about the fortunes of one particular team** can't understand why everyone else doesn't engage in that sort of obsession.
**The only team that needs to devote an entire separate section of BTF to psychoanalyze itself
But again, your most recent "historic" sports event dates from the period of the Vietnam War, and then previously we're back to the 1950s and 1930s. That's not a crazy way to define the term.
Out of curiosity, why is 'the catch' so significant to you (or others if they want to chime in)? It was a good catch, I get that, but what other significance did it have?
The Catch refers to the winning touchdown reception by Dwight Clark off a Joe Montana pass in the January 10, 1982, NFC Championship Game between the Dallas Cowboys and San Francisco 49ers. The Catch is widely regarded as one of the most memorable events in NFL history. The game represented the end of Dallas' domination in the NFC since the conference's inception in 1970, and the beginning of San Francisco's rise as both an NFC and Super Bowl power in the 1980s.
I don't think there are more than one or two historic events per decade (on average) in sports that cross over.
Again, there seems to be a difference of team obsession among Red Sox fans here that simply doesn't translate to most Yankee fans I know.
I admit that those moths got under my skin.
but Red Sox fans' insistence that Yankee fans by the very working of the cosmos, must have been devastated by 2004
what's epic in the eyes of one championship-starved fan base isn't necessarily considered correspondingly traumatic by the fan base of the losing team.
some big catch that (IIRC) Drew Pearson made of a Roger Staubach pass en route to an (again, IIRC) improbable playoff win over SF (whom I liked, thanks to the presence of the likes of John Brodie, Vic Washington & Cedrick Hardman) around the same time.
It's telling that Tyson went to some lengths to avoid almost all of these men in the ring following his loss to Buster Douglas, with only Holyfield, a blown-up cruiserweight, managing to get a crack at a time when Tyson was still considered by many to be a championship-caliber fighter.
I came onto this thread talking about the reaction to pitchers throwing at hitters.
Personally? Well I was at the right age, 16, and the height of my love of football. My two teams were the Vikings and 49ers and both had rivalries with the Cowboys (And rivalry is being generous, I am sure the Cowboys did not see it that way). All the superbowl losses and everything else regarding those two teams was terrible. And then that year was total magic and with the catch it was like a curse had been broken in my personal fandom.
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