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Paul Daugherty: Old-v-New schools of thought

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posted 2 days ago by Repoz to reds, sabermetrics | 38 comment(s)

One, two big schools
All the worlds are
Colliding all around you

I was going to write something today for SI.com re Votto. Specifically, that Votto represented one of the clearest cases of Old-v-New schools of thought, re hitting production. The idea was discussed when The Technician was sitting on 4 HR/20 BI. Now, he’s up to 7 and 22. Both #s are subpar for him and, in fact, for a No. 3 hitter. The obvious question being, can a guy who ranks 11th among NL 1Bs in BI be seen as having a ...

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1. Tom Nawrocki posted on September 25, 2012 at 06:26 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Oh, geez. Take care of yourself, Dusty.

2. Bitter Mouse is a genre addict posted on September 25, 2012 at 06:52 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I wish him the best. Surprised no snark.

3. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) posted on September 25, 2012 at 06:54 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

stroke snark? (say that 3 times fast)

4. Walt Davis posted on September 25, 2012 at 06:57 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

This sucks.

5. Joey B. has ignited his October #Natitude posted on September 25, 2012 at 07:01 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Get well soon Dusty; you're one of the good ones.

6. Dag Nabbit has the talking pillow posted on September 25, 2012 at 07:01 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Yikes.

7. Best Regards, L.M. posted on September 25, 2012 at 07:08 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

(Since the doctors said he should be fine, I don't feel too bad making this post):

He should be back to ruining young pitchers in no time.

8. smileyy posted on September 25, 2012 at 07:10 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

He shouldn't have kept his heart on a beat-count. Is that enough snark?

9. Bitter Calculus Instructor posted on September 25, 2012 at 07:16 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Dusty Baker suffered stroke ... of Corey Patterson's Bat in the Leadoff Spot

10. Rickey Fredonia Fudge Duckery Precious Twiddle posted on September 25, 2012 at 07:16 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Clearly Dusty's been overworking his brain, thus the clot. Shoulda pulled it in the 7th.

11. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius posted on September 25, 2012 at 07:30 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

5...that is such a pathetic troll that it's almost funny. So, almost bravo, sir.

12. Esoteric throws a 'hard slider' posted on September 25, 2012 at 07:36 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

5...that is such a pathetic troll that it's almost funny. So, almost bravo, sir.

How is Joey's B. post trolling? It was gracious and classy. And I agree -- whatever your opinion of Baker's faults as a manager, he's beloved by his players and seems like a warm-hearted guy. I wish him all the best, and hope he's back to full strength for the playoffs.

13. Rickey Fredonia Fudge Duckery Precious Twiddle posted on September 25, 2012 at 07:40 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

How is Joey's B. post trolling? It was gracious and kind. And I agree.

Is this another moral failing of Natinal fans in general?

14. Esoteric throws a 'hard slider' posted on September 25, 2012 at 08:02 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Jesus Sam, it's a stroke.

15. Harveys Wallbangers

posted on September 25, 2012 at 08:12 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

know the drill dusty.

good luck

16. Rickey Fredonia Fudge Duckery Precious Twiddle posted on September 25, 2012 at 08:23 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Jesus Sam, it's a stroke.

Overrated band. I prefer Hot Hot Heat.

17. The Long Arm of Rudy Law posted on September 25, 2012 at 08:28 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I was thinking he has a toddler at home, but that World Series was ten years and two teams ago.

18. Rickey Fredonia Fudge Duckery Precious Twiddle posted on September 25, 2012 at 08:31 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I was thinking he has a toddler at home, but that World Series was ten years and two teams ago.

I was thinking "if the primary warning sign of stroke is slurred speech and incoherence, how on earth did anyone notice something 'wrong' with Dusty?!"

But I'm a terrible human being that way.

19. Gamingboy posted on September 25, 2012 at 08:39 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I hope for Dusty Baker's health.

20. UCCF posted on September 25, 2012 at 10:55 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Well, we know it wasn't a stroke of genius.

(Seriously, if you're going to have a stroke, the best place to do it is while you're still in the hospital. Hopefully that helped minimize the damage, and he'll be back in the dugout for the postseason.)

21. Random Transaction Generator posted on September 25, 2012 at 11:15 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Dusty: "Pull the starter. He's just a kid, and he's looking a little gassed."
Bench coach: "Oh, ####! Dusty's having a stroke! Call 911!"

I wish him a full recovery. This will be a nice story for the playoffs if he comes back to the team.

22. ShoeGrit posted on September 25, 2012 at 11:37 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

From the article:

Baker revealed that when he was being released from the hospital on Friday, he suffered a "mini-stroke."

I thought this sounded like a TIA incident, which my mother has had two of.

From National Stroke Association Website they say this:

A transient ischemic attack (TIA) is an event, sometimes called a mini-stroke, with stroke symptoms that lasts less than 24 hours before disappearing. While TIAs generally do not cause permanent brain damage, they are a serious warning sign of stroke and should not be ignored!

Up to 40 percent of all people who have experienced a TIA will go on to have an actual stroke. Most studies show that nearly half of all strokes occur within the first 2 days after a TIA. In fact:

Within 2 days after a TIA, 5 percent of people will have a stroke.

Within 3 months after a TIA, 10 to 15 percent of people will have a stroke.

While I'm no doctors, it seems like if you get past the first "danger" period, and make some changes in your life, you have a better chance. My mom had her first TIA incident more than 15 years ago. For her the long term effect has been a somewhat reduced sphere of vision in her left eye, (kind of a circle in the lower left quadrant that is blacked out or fuzzy). And her balance was affected, but she's old now, so that goes with the territory anyway. Makes her interesting to drive with though.

Anyway, if Dusty gets through the next week without incident, he's still at risk, but managing or not managing doesn't seem to be a risk factor.

23. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) posted on September 26, 2012 at 09:38 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Makes her interesting to drive with though.

Why wouldn't you drive?

24. Gern Blanston posted on September 26, 2012 at 09:46 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Hope he recovers soon. Be nice to see him get another shot at a ring.

25. Gern Blanston posted on September 26, 2012 at 09:48 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

I was thinking "if the primary warning sign of stroke is slurred speech and incoherence, how on earth did anyone notice something 'wrong' with Dusty?!"

Now now. Dusty's incoherent speech has always been clearly enunciated.

26. Ron J2 posted on September 26, 2012 at 09:49 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

#8 Well played sir. A classic Dusty reference which (to me at any rate) does scream, "Too soon"

Strokes suck. I'm glad he got prompt treatment.

And #22 my sister had a mini-stroke a couple of years back. Scary as hell, but she's still teaching.

27. Greg Schuler posted on September 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

All this and no mention of whether skin color makes a difference in stroke victims - for shame, BFT, for shame.

28. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) posted on September 26, 2012 at 10:34 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

My grandfather started having TIAs before the big one hit that ended his life. Of course, he was 98 at the time, so it's not a comparable situation.

Hope Dusty ends up OK, here.

29. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat posted on September 26, 2012 at 10:45 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

My grandfather started having TIAs before the big one hit that ended his life. Of course, he was 98 at the time, so it's not a comparable situation.

My grandfather had what was probably a TIA in 1957. It scared him enough that he got himself together and eventually lost about 150 pounds. He died in 1998. I hope Dusty's got another 41 years left in him.

30. dr. scott posted on September 26, 2012 at 01:03 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

At least #17 is thinking of the children... or teenagers...

31. DL from MN posted on September 26, 2012 at 01:29 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The "irregular heartbeat" is probably what caused the stroke. Sounds like atrial fibrillation. Hopefully they can fix it for him so he doesn't have to take the blood thinning drugs.

32. Rickey Fredonia Fudge Duckery Precious Twiddle posted on September 26, 2012 at 01:34 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

All this and no mention of whether skin color makes a difference in stroke victims - for shame, BFT, for shame.

All things being given, I'm sure Dusty had his mini-stroke in the sun, during a day game.

33. What did Billy Ripken have against Elroy Face? posted on September 26, 2012 at 06:35 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Hmm. Apparently walks clog up the circulatory system too.

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