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Baltimore added Jonathan Schoop and Mike Belfiore. No surprises there. Belfiore was the guy they got from Arizona for Josh Bell. O's also removed Oliver Drake from the roster and sent him to Norfolk.
Of the guys the Orioles left off, the interesting ones are Bobby Bundy (more because he's Dylan's brother), Tim Bascom, and Brandon Waring. Bascom's been mostly at AA since 2009, pitching pretty well for the most part, but his only extended stint at AAA didn't go well and he's been buried ever since. Waring is another minor-league power/strikeout hitter who can't really play 3B (his listed position) and who probably doesn't have enough bat for 1B.
Mike, why do so many people think that Gift Ngoepe is eligible? The rule seems pretty clear to me...
I have no idea, my take on the rule is the same as yours. The only thing that I can think of is that he did make a cameo appearance in instructs in 2008 after he signed - was that enough?
The only thing that I can think of is that he did make a cameo appearance in instructs in 2008 after he signed - was that enough?
I wouldn't think so, but I'll admit that I could be wrong.
The very fact that they didn't roster him would seem to imply that he wasn't eligible, since leaving him out there would be crazy. He'd get taken in a snap.
The very fact that they didn't roster him would seem to imply that he wasn't eligible, since leaving him out there would be crazy. He'd get taken in a snap.
I'm not so sure. Ngoepe is exactly the type of player who would probably be hurt more than helped by a Rule 5 selection (think Abraham Nunez). He struggled to make consistent contact in high-A last year, and he is still very raw for a 22-YO.
BTW, for those who care - it's pronounced en-WEE-pay.
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63.geonose posted on November 20, 2012 at 06:50 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
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Not that it matters, but Royals released Paukovits some weeks back.
@Mike Emeigh
Thanks for the pronunciation; I had wondered. (And wow, was I wrong!)
64.geonose posted on November 20, 2012 at 07:00 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Mike, based on the Ngoepe comments, I'll bet you know the answer to something I've wondered: Can you please explain to me why Yordano Ventura isn't eligible? I've asked lots of "experts" and nobody seems to know. He signed in October 2008 at age 17; the rule on the face of it would seem to imply that he's eligible this year. Is there a different rule for international signings?
Twins add Aaron Hicks, Kyle Gibson, Danny Santana, Josmil Pinto, Caleb Thielbar, B.J. Hermsen, Michael Tonkin and Tim Wood. Wood was just signed to a minor-league deal.
Can you please explain to me why Yordano Ventura isn't eligible? I've asked lots of "experts" and nobody seems to know. He signed in October 2008 at age 17; the rule on the face of it would seem to imply that he's eligible this year. Is there a different rule for international signings?
I'm not Mike, but here's my understanding: If he didn't sign until October, then he didn't sign until after the end of the 2008 minor league season, and for that reason 2008 doesn't count as one of his five protected seasons. He was an 18-and-under signee, so he gets five years, and 2013 will be his fifth.
It's not a different rule for international signings - draft-and-follow players used to be treated the same way, and college seniors (who have an exemption) signing after the deadline still would be.
69.geonose posted on November 20, 2012 at 07:07 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Thanks, Vlad - I had always heard that it went by calendar year. Going by minor league season is hugely different.
70.JJ1986 posted on November 20, 2012 at 07:11 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Yankees add Ramon Flores, Brett Marshall, Jose Ramirez, Manny Banuelos, Francisco Rondon and Nik Turley.
Can you please explain to me why Yordano Ventura isn't eligible? I've asked lots of "experts" and nobody seems to know. He signed in October 2008 at age 17; the rule on the face of it would seem to imply that he's eligible this year.
I don't know. The rule isn't any different for international signings to the best of my understanding.
Ventura signed in October 2008 and as far as I can find didn't participate in any organizational activities until 2009. He was under 18 as of June 5, 2008, so he's protected for five seasons. I literally don't know for sure whether 2008 counts or not; I have seen at least one reference which says that under the recent CBA the clock starts when you sign, not when you first play.
Houston left Jason Stoffel off, which is a little bit of a surprise. Stoffel was picked up from the Giants in the Jeff Keppinger deal and had a pretty good season as Corpus Christi's closer. He's a prime candidate to be picked up by someone in Rule 5.
Hiroki Kuroda re-signing with Yankees for 1 year/$15M + incentives <$1M. Good news, especially if Pettitte follows suit.
80.Brian C posted on November 20, 2012 at 08:34 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Cubs have also traded Jake Brigham back to Texas for Barret Loux, which opens another spot on the 40-man.
81.WillYoung posted on November 20, 2012 at 08:34 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
The Twins used all forty spots so they'll have to drop a player or two (I'm looking at you, Butters) if they want to take someone in the draft in a few weeks.
Barret Loux sounds like a good get for the Cubs. He was the 6th overall pick two years ago. Has his stock fallen that much?
Well, he *is* 22-6 in his minor league career, including 14-1 with Frisco last year :)
Loux, of course, is the former Arizona first rounder who didn't sign because of a torn labrum and elbow damage discovered during his pre-signing physical. The D'backs withdrew his contract offer, preferring the #7 pick the following year. Ordinarily he'd have had to go back into the draft, but MLB declared him a free agent instead and he signed with Texas. (Under the new CBA, teams can't do this any more; they have to offer at least 40% of the pool value or they lose the pick and the pool money.)
Loux's stock hasn't dropped all that much, but I suspect the Rangers were concerned about either the shoulder or the elbow going out. Loux has chosen not to have surgery on either.
Rangers add Leury Garcia and Joe Ortiz, in addition to Brigham. According to ESPN Dallas, the Brigham deal was made because Brigham got hurt right after being traded for Geovany Soto.
Thanks gents. Knew about his peculiar draft/FA status, but not about the double whammy that is his shoulder and elbow problems. I still think it's a nifty move by the Cubs.
Indians outrighted Matt LaPorta and Brent Lillibridge to AAA. Lillibridge can refuse the assignment.
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91.puck posted on November 20, 2012 at 10:06 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Cristhian Adames
Huh, never heard of him. 20 yr old shorstop at high A Modesto. 2 HR, .098 ISO and 4 SB, is he a supposed to be a great fielder?
92.Der_K posted on November 20, 2012 at 10:06 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
note on lahair, something i mention on this site at least annually - his massive platoon split wasn't entirely a fluke - he often had insane splits in the minors as well. (this is part of my 'we should consider minor league #s and other factors when we regress to the mean' speech.)
93.Brian C posted on November 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Cubs also outright Carlos Gutierrez.
Add Logan Watkins, Trey McNutt, Christian Villanueva, Robert Whitenack.
I'm actually not surprised. Whitenack had TJ in the summer of 2011 and last year can be written off (more or less) to the recovery process. He was pretty doggoned good before that. Watkins is another one of those speed/average/not much power guys who is more likely to be a utility guy in the majors than a regular, and who probably was low risk of being claimed, but it's really hard to leave someone with his speed off the 40-man.
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96.JJ1986 posted on November 20, 2012 at 10:53 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Is Nick Struck eligible? He'd be right at the top of my board.
97.DL from MN posted on November 20, 2012 at 11:02 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Twins also did not protect Deduno. He's an interesting flier.
99.JJ1986 posted on November 20, 2012 at 11:17 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Rays and Red Sox are not added yet. Anyone else missing?
100.Brian C posted on November 20, 2012 at 11:18 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Whitenack had TJ in the summer of 2011 and last year can be written off (more or less) to the recovery process. He was pretty doggoned good before that.
Was he? Perhaps this is a case where the stats don't really tell the story, but he looks like a guy with decent-but-not-great BB rates and very low K rates even before his injury. Granted, he had a good start to 2011 before his injury, although his peripherals upon promotion to AA were not all that special. But overall he looks like a common talent who's already pretty old not to have reached AAA.
Saying that he has potential is one thing. I have no knowledge to evaluate that statement one way or the other. But saying that he was already "doggoned good" before the injury? I don't see it.
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What does that put them at, 26 guys?
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I have no idea, my take on the rule is the same as yours. The only thing that I can think of is that he did make a cameo appearance in instructs in 2008 after he signed - was that enough?
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I wouldn't think so, but I'll admit that I could be wrong.
The very fact that they didn't roster him would seem to imply that he wasn't eligible, since leaving him out there would be crazy. He'd get taken in a snap.
Andrew Carignan outrighted; Brandon Hicks and Jim Miller DFA.
I'm not so sure. Ngoepe is exactly the type of player who would probably be hurt more than helped by a Rule 5 selection (think Abraham Nunez). He struggled to make consistent contact in high-A last year, and he is still very raw for a 22-YO.
BTW, for those who care - it's pronounced en-WEE-pay.
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Not that it matters, but Royals released Paukovits some weeks back.
@Mike Emeigh
Thanks for the pronunciation; I had wondered. (And wow, was I wrong!)
I agree, but I think he'd get taken anyway.
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I'm not Mike, but here's my understanding: If he didn't sign until October, then he didn't sign until after the end of the 2008 minor league season, and for that reason 2008 doesn't count as one of his five protected seasons. He was an 18-and-under signee, so he gets five years, and 2013 will be his fifth.
It's not a different rule for international signings - draft-and-follow players used to be treated the same way, and college seniors (who have an exemption) signing after the deadline still would be.
I don't know. The rule isn't any different for international signings to the best of my understanding.
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Anthony Slama left unprotected.
Well, he *is* 22-6 in his minor league career, including 14-1 with Frisco last year :)
Loux, of course, is the former Arizona first rounder who didn't sign because of a torn labrum and elbow damage discovered during his pre-signing physical. The D'backs withdrew his contract offer, preferring the #7 pick the following year. Ordinarily he'd have had to go back into the draft, but MLB declared him a free agent instead and he signed with Texas. (Under the new CBA, teams can't do this any more; they have to offer at least 40% of the pool value or they lose the pick and the pool money.)
Loux's stock hasn't dropped all that much, but I suspect the Rangers were concerned about either the shoulder or the elbow going out. Loux has chosen not to have surgery on either.
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His name was Magill, but he called himself Lil, and everyone knew him as Nancy?
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Huh, never heard of him. 20 yr old shorstop at high A Modesto. 2 HR, .098 ISO and 4 SB, is he a supposed to be a great fielder?
Add Logan Watkins, Trey McNutt, Christian Villanueva, Robert Whitenack.
Whitenack? Didn't see that one coming.
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I'm actually not surprised. Whitenack had TJ in the summer of 2011 and last year can be written off (more or less) to the recovery process. He was pretty doggoned good before that. Watkins is another one of those speed/average/not much power guys who is more likely to be a utility guy in the majors than a regular, and who probably was low risk of being claimed, but it's really hard to leave someone with his speed off the 40-man.
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Was he? Perhaps this is a case where the stats don't really tell the story, but he looks like a guy with decent-but-not-great BB rates and very low K rates even before his injury. Granted, he had a good start to 2011 before his injury, although his peripherals upon promotion to AA were not all that special. But overall he looks like a common talent who's already pretty old not to have reached AAA.
Saying that he has potential is one thing. I have no knowledge to evaluate that statement one way or the other. But saying that he was already "doggoned good" before the injury? I don't see it.
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