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When I saw the headline, I wondered where Amaro worked now, probably as a radio host or an assistant GM somewhere. I was certain he wasn't still with the Phillies.

This is *way* funnier than the headline suggests! It's not that Amaro doesn't value walks, it's that he *literally* doesn't understand the difference between an at-bat and a plate appearance. From the transcript in TFA:

“Yeah, we were checking it out. In fact Schmitty was in the booth yesterday when we were talking about it, and, um, I think it’s about a thousand difference in, ah, plate appearances. Pretty amazing. But their batting averages aren’t that different, which is kind of… weird. I don’t quite understand it.”

He probably, like my beloved Baseball Pro 98, thinks walks are the sole function of the pitcher and therefore are just evenly distributed amongst the hitters.

7.DA Baracus posted on June 13, 2014 at 05:47 PM #

I am not sure I understand what that quoted part is supposed to mean. It doesnt necessarily mean Amaro doenst understand PA vs AB, he might not understand averages or maybe it means somethign totally other...

He says Schmidt has a 1000 more plate appearances than Rollins, but their average is about the same. Well, why would that surprise anyone?

Someone could have 10 AB (or PA) and someone 10,000 AB (or PA) and they could still have the same batting average.

What am I missing here? ANd why the emphasis that Amaro doesnt understand PA? That someone can have the same ba w/ less PA has more to do with averages and very little to do with the difference between an AB and PA.

But again maybe I am totally not getting this...

EDIT: OK I get it. The part quoted above says "same batting average" but really in the clip Amaro is talking about getting the same NUMBER OF HITS, with about the same batting average, but 1000 more PA.

So yeah apparently Amaro forget about walks.

Still the part quote above leaves out an important part of that.

9.Nasty Nate posted on June 13, 2014 at 06:36 PM #

Sunday Silence, I was confused too. But I think what it's about is that both Schmidt and Rollins have about the same amount of hits, and about the same batting average - yet Schmidt has a 1000 more PA's.

10.cardsfanboy posted on June 13, 2014 at 06:41 PM #

Yes, Nate is right, they were talking about the career hit totals between Schmidt(2233) and Rollins(2234) and how they have pretty close batting averages(.267 vs .268) but that Amaro couldn't understand how that is, since Schmidt has about 1000 more plate appearances(technically 890 going into today's action)

11.Walt Davis posted on June 13, 2014 at 06:57 PM #

Well, it is kind of "weird" ... but not hard to understand.

"Does Ruben Amaro Know _________?" Fill in the blank with any baseball-related word or phrase you wish, and the correct answer is still always "No".

18.Ray (RDP) posted on June 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM #

Math is hard.

This may be a nitpick to a sarcastic comment, but Amaro's problem is not "math." I'm sure he can do arithmetic, or use a calculator. It's that he doesn't understand the concept of what goes into a PA vs an AB.

I don't know what else we can assume from this. But when he sees two players with similar BAs, does he just assume they have similar OBPs? If not, does he understand that walks are the main driver of the difference in OBP between two players who have similar BAs? Does he just think that walks are random, or purely a function of the pitcher? Does he properly value walks, and OBP? It raises a whole host of questions.

He probably, like my beloved Baseball Pro 98, thinks walks are the sole function of the pitcher and therefore are just evenly distributed amongst the hitters.

The Twins seem to think this, actually. They love soft-tossing RHP with low walk rates.

I think it's most likely that he just doesn't know what the term "plate appearances" encompasses. I don't know how that's possible, but it doesn't really mean that he doesn't value walks.

This may be a nitpick to a sarcastic comment, but Amaro's problem is not "math." I'm sure he can do arithmetic, or use a calculator. It's that he doesn't understand the concept of what goes into a PA vs an AB.

To nitpick a nitpick: arithmetic is a small part of what math is. The concepts he demonstrably fails to grasp are math.

From wikipedia:

Mathematics is the study of topics such as quantity (numbers),[2] structure,[3] space,[2] and change.[4][5][6] There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics.[7][8]
Mathematicians seek out patterns[9][10] and use them to formulate new conjectures. Mathematicians resolve the truth or falsity of conjectures by mathematical proof. When mathematical structures are good models of real phenomena, then mathematical reasoning can provide insight or predictions about nature. Through the use of abstraction and logic, mathematics developed from counting, calculation, measurement, and the systematic study of the shapes and motions of physical objects.

22.Ray (RDP) posted on June 14, 2014 at 12:05 PM #

Well, in any event, his main problem is that he doesn't understand that PA encompasses walks/etc while BA does not. And I think it should lead us to question just what in the hell he does and does not understand about all of this.

amaro is getting too much #### from you people for not being a stats guy. he's just not that.

on the other hand, he's not getting nearly enough #### from anyone for being a scouting/development guy who's done ######### in either of those two areas. his aggressive dismissal of numbers is one thing, but the fact that his scouting hasn't found even one good bench player for as long as he's been here, the fact that his bullpen has been a ####### shambles for as long as he's been here, that's unforgivable.

amaro is getting too much #### from you people for not being a stats guy. he's just not that.

There's a difference between not being a stats guy and not knowing what a plate appearance is.

Even an old country doctor knows what a kidney is. A retired chemistry teacher has probably heard of nitrogen. The kid making my hamburger at McDonald's may not be into food science, but I'm guessing the phrase "What the #### is ketchup?" doesn't come up that often.

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He says Schmidt has a 1000 more plate appearances than Rollins, but their average is about the same. Well, why would that surprise anyone?

Someone could have 10 AB (or PA) and someone 10,000 AB (or PA) and they could still have the same batting average.

What am I missing here? ANd why the emphasis that Amaro doesnt understand PA? That someone can have the same ba w/ less PA has more to do with averages and very little to do with the difference between an AB and PA.

But again maybe I am totally not getting this...

EDIT: OK I get it. The part quoted above says "same batting average" but really in the clip Amaro is talking about getting the same NUMBER OF HITS, with about the same batting average, but 1000 more PA.

So yeah apparently Amaro forget about walks.

Still the part quote above leaves out an important part of that.

Similarly weird:

Morgan with Reds: 1155 H, 220 doubles, 152 HR, 612 RBI

Phillips thru 2012: 1160 H, 209 doubles, 142 HR, 563 RBI

What's 600 extra walks between friends?

This may be a nitpick to a sarcastic comment, but Amaro's problem is not "math." I'm sure he can do arithmetic, or use a calculator. It's that he doesn't understand the concept of what goes into a PA vs an AB.

I don't know what else we can assume from this. But when he sees two players with similar BAs, does he just assume they have similar OBPs? If not, does he understand that walks are the main driver of the difference in OBP between two players who have similar BAs? Does he just think that walks are random, or purely a function of the pitcher? Does he properly value walks, and OBP? It raises a whole host of questions.

He probably, like my beloved Baseball Pro 98, thinks walks are the sole function of the pitcher and therefore are just evenly distributed amongst the hitters.The Twins seem to think this, actually. They love soft-tossing RHP with low walk rates.

This may be a nitpick to a sarcastic comment, but Amaro's problem is not "math." I'm sure he can do arithmetic, or use a calculator. It's that he doesn't understand the concept of what goes into a PA vs an AB.To nitpick a nitpick: arithmetic is a small part of what math is. The concepts he demonstrably fails to grasp are math.

From wikipedia:

And I think it should lead us to question just what in the hell he does and does not understand about all of this.

Hits, HRs and RBIs. I truly believe that those are his offensive evaluation tools.

That presupposes he has even heard of OBP. I ain't so sure.

on the other hand, he's not getting nearly enough #### from anyone for being a scouting/development guy who's done ######### in either of those two areas. his aggressive dismissal of numbers is one thing, but the fact that his scouting hasn't found even one good bench player for as long as he's been here, the fact that his bullpen has been a ####### shambles for as long as he's been here, that's unforgivable.

amaro is getting too much #### from you people for not being a stats guy. he's just not that.There's a difference between not being a stats guy and not knowing what a plate appearance is.

Even an old country doctor knows what a kidney is. A retired chemistry teacher has probably heard of nitrogen. The kid making my hamburger at McDonald's may not be into food science, but I'm guessing the phrase "What the #### is ketchup?" doesn't come up that often.

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