I told them to come to Georgia where the gods don't so clearly hate them.

So why'd he put so many dumbs down there?

So a bigger Billings, or, "Billings or Bozeman with a little Denver thrown in."

Calgary is nearly twice the size of Denver. I know fractions is a little beyond Georgia's pay grade, but don't you travel or something?

Calgary is nearly twice the size of Denver. I know fractions is a little beyond Georgia's pay grade, but don't you travel or something?

You're forgetting to discount for the "everyone huddled together for basic warmth" factor. Also, Canadian population statistics are worth only like, .675 of an American population statistic.

So why'd he put so many dumbs down there?

Pure spite. God's a bitter ############.

Toronto is like Chicago, and a little like New York and Detroit.

Toronto did an excellent job portraying Brooklyn in Moonstruck.

I told them to come to Georgia where the gods don't so clearly hate them.

Except during the summer. I cannot figure out how that place was inhabited before the invention of air conditioning.

Calgary is nearly twice the size of Denver. I know fractions is a little beyond Georgia's pay grade, but don't you travel or something?

Actually, if you count the metro area, and you should, Denver is over twice as big as Calgary 1.3 million to 2.7 million. I'm not going to bother to look up the relative population density of either city as frankly I don't care enough.

Just wanted to point out saying "Galgary is twice as big as Denver" is highly misleading.

Actually, if you count the metro area, and you should, Denver is over twice as big as Calgary 1.3 million to 2.7 million. I'm not going to bother to look up the relative population density of either city as frankly I don't care enough.

This is the "people huddled together for warmth" argument.

Except during the summer. I cannot figure out how that place was inhabited before the invention of air conditioning.

Brutal exploitation of Africans.

Well, you asked.

Hey! The Rural Alberta Advantage just spun up on the iPhone. Totally synchronicity! Wait. Now we're on to Frightened Rabbit. There's nothing synchronistic about Glasgow at all.

#44 Yeah, I'm from Ottawa. I know how to dress for a cold day so going out when there's a wind chill of -20 isn't that big of a deal. However I wasn't dressed for a middle of winter Ottawa day, I was dressed for November in Toronto. I'd checked the forecast and missed just how nasty the wind was. And the wind was wet -- just on the verge of rain (yeah it wasn't even cold enough for snow)

I've been out in colder temperatures plenty of times. But I can't recall being so cold for so long. Not a problem once we were in the stadium, but the walk to the subway and from the subway to the stadium were just nasty.

I remember Toronto as having beautiful summer weather, and plenty of underground walking. It also had amazingly good fast food in the subway. One place sold excellent sandwiches, of the kind you'd get at a gourmet deli.

Winter there? No thanks. But spring and summer would be a pleasure.

I've lived in Toronto and Ottawa and some other places. Toronto winters are relatively wimpy as winters go. I mean, they are real winters, but you get a lot of thaws and warm days so the snow accumulation normally isn't much. Ottawa can certainly be much colder and the snow tends to stick around the whole time. But any normal human should be able to cope with a Toronto winter. Not that any ballplayers tend to live there year-round anyway.

I lived two years in Mississippi and six in Alabama. Everyplace has mild humidity compared to the deep South.

Dude, I live in Vietnam. We scoff at your deep South humidity.

But I did live in Toronto for two years (2001-2002) and thought it was fantastic. I would happily move back there if offered a job. (Work permits, if I recall, were a bit difficult to get.)

Also, Canadian population statistics are worth only like, .675 of an American population statistic.

I wonder if it's time to retire these jokes. The Canadian dollar has been right around par with the U.S. dollar for about 5 years now.

I wonder if it's time to retire these jokes. The Canadian dollar has been right around par with the U.S. dollar for about 5 years now.

There's a Canadian dollar??? I thought you Canucks were all still on the bartering system, or maybe used the British sterling or something.

I wonder if it's time to retire these jokes.

#### no. We love those jokes. Especially when they're made by Americans visiting Canada, who haven't yet figured out that the exchange rate has shifted so much.

There's a Canadian dollar??? I thought you Canucks were all still on the bartering system, or maybe used the British sterling or something.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Those pretty Canadian dollars are actually an elaborate practical joke we play on American tourists.

Being a pure socialist nation we don't actually use money. We just take (only) what we need.

Trust me, try it the next time you're in Canada.

Being a pure socialist nation we don't actually use money. We just take (only) what we need.

Apparently you haven't needed the Stanley Cup in 19 years. Thanks pal!

"It's the least "foreign" foreign city there is."

Agreed re Toronto. It was probably my 7th time there that I walked into a bar with a colleague, bought two drinks with a $20 American - and was startled to see that colorful money as change again. I felt that "at home."

Vancouver is even more awesome, imo, but it felt like another country - in a good way. Yes, major Asian population due to its location. I've found it even more cosmopolitan than Toronto, and that is saying a LOT.

My experience in frequent visits to both (pre-9/11) was that any American could go to Canada without papers. All they might have to worry about (then) was getting back IN.

Used to be a breeze, by the way, to drive from Buffalo to Toronto or Seattle to Vancouver. You didn't even have to get out of your car - just hand over the papers, smile, and be on your way. Mid-day, no lines at all.

Once met a Nets fan from Jersey, though, who got detained for hours in the 1990s because his claimed "business purpose" for visiting was to go to a Nets-Grizzlies game. The border patrol considered this to be preposterous.

True story.

My experience in frequent visits to both (pre-9/11) was that any American could go to Canada without papers. All they might have to worry about (then) was getting back IN.

I went back and forth a bunch of times with just a driver's license, and I really only felt I needed that when I was flying. A friend of mine once went from Boston to Montreal and back using a seven year old picture of herself in a high school yearbook as "ID". This was pre-2001, of course.

I only visited Canadia once pre-9/11(driving from Ithaca to Niagara) and no ID of any sort was required, just a verbal affirmation from everyone in the car that they were US citizens.

Well, if anyone wants to get from Canada to the US (or vice versa) without seeing a border guard it isn't that hard if you check a map and are willing to use a canoe or your feet. Just check any place with a park on each side, or where there are long stretches of low population or where there are native reserves on each side. I know of no shortage of ways to cross without being caught if I really wanted to. Do you really think terrorists don't know the same thing? Cigarette smugglers have done it for years (from the US to Canada whenever our taxes get too high).

Also, as a right wing Canadian radio personality once said on Fox News - at least we don't train terrorists how to fly planes (9-11 pilots were trained in Florida).

Dude, I live in Vietnam. We scoff at your deep South humidity.

I am a notoriously sweaty man, but ever since I spent a week in August in Cambodia, the heat and humidity everywhere else doesn't bother me very much. I was sweating through my clothes at 5:30 a.m. Ugh.

I've been to Toronto. It was nice. They have surprisingly exotic women there. (Who knew?)

I'd like to thank this thread for reminding me of the awful heat and humidity of an otherwise awesome week visiting Singapore.

Bryan Adams, Alanis Morisette, Justin Bieber, Geddy Lee, etc.

You misspelled Nickelback.

You both misspelt Celine Dion, or as I like to call her 'The Banshee of Pop'... *shudder*

I've lived in Toronto and Ottawa and some other places. Toronto winters are relatively wimpy as winters go. I mean, they are real winters, but you get a lot of thaws and warm days so the snow accumulation normally isn't much. Ottawa can certainly be much colder and the snow tends to stick around the whole time. But any normal human should be able to cope with a Toronto winter. Not that any ballplayers tend to live there year-round anyway.

The worst thing about Toronto winters is the repeated thaws. It turns into a giant slush bucket.

The worst thing about Saskatchewan winters is that it's -30 for 6 months straight...but hey, at least your feet never get wet! (that you can feel anyway)

I think I'd take the Toronto winter, but they both have their bummers.

And I blame Americans for the crappy Canadian musicians who make it big. We've got plenty of good ones (unlike the TV and movie industry, the domestic Canadian music industry actually exists). But Sloan, the Tragically Hip, or Joel Plaskett* never seem to draw any crowds south of the border.

*to name a few that I enjoy.

Well, Canada might be easier to get into, but then the terrorists are like \"#### man, I have free healthcare and a decent job? #### this blowing myself up ########."

To be fair Canadian terrorists prefer blowing other things up, like cars or mailboxes. And murdering elected officials.

On he plus side it inspired one of the more bad ass political one liners of the past few decades.

Sloan is one of my favorite bands, but it's pretty funny when they play around DC and expect the crowd to sing bits of songs and know their schtick as well as they obviously do in Canada.

The worst thing about Toronto winters is the repeated thaws. It turns into a giant slush bucket.

I prefer that to the ice you get in Ottawa, such that from January to March you can hardly take a step outside without your feet shooting out from under you. Honestly. When I moved here I decided I wasn't going to complain about the weather, because I think it's really obnoxious to move to a new place of your own free will and then start badmouthing it and saying it was better where you came from. And I'm coping with the extra snow and the extra cold and the extra length of winter just fine. But I can't be having with this ice at all.

Dude, I live in Vietnam. We scoff at your deep South humidity.

Jealous. Positively love Vietnam. Long-term plan is to retire there.

Sloan is one of my favorite bands, but it's pretty funny when they play around DC and expect the crowd to sing bits of songs and know their schtick as well as they obviously do in Canada.

I saw them in Chicago in 2004, it was the first time I had seen them since I lived in Halifax 10 years earlier. The crowd seemed to know what to do, though

Dude, I live in Vietnam. We scoff at your deep South humidity.

I am a notoriously sweaty man, but ever since I spent a week in August in Cambodia, the heat and humidity everywhere else doesn't bother me very much. I was sweating through my clothes at 5:30 a.m. Ugh.

I think July/August Cambodia about takes the cake for the worst humidity I've ever experienced. Sadly, it's only a little worse than D.C.

Canada gave us Neil Young. That makes up for any number of Celines or Justins.

Aside from serving as stand-ins for various US cities, the Canadian film-tv industry does occasionally produce something good. "Slings & Arrows" is a pretty entertaining short series (believe it's three 6-episode "seasons") about a theatrical troupe. And we just started watching "Intelligence," a policier set in Vancouver. Not "The Wire," but pretty good.

Mrs Useless & I went to Canada on our honeymoon, long pre-9/11. We took one of our cats with us (she LOVED riding in the car). The border agent told us we really should have gotten papers for the cat (health regs), but then let us go. Visited Toronto for a couple of days, had a really good time. Went back one weekend a couple of years ago for the film festival. Great time, saw some good movies, lots of good walking, and the weather (mid-September) was beautiful. Wonderful town. If I couldn't live in NY, Toronto would be my 2nd choice in North America.

I lived two years in Mississippi and six in Alabama. Everyplace has mild humidity compared to the deep South.


Dude, I live in Vietnam. We scoff at your deep South humidity.

I am a notoriously sweaty man, but ever since I spent a week in August in Cambodia, the heat and humidity everywhere else doesn't bother me very much. I was sweating through my clothes at 5:30 a.m. Ugh.

there is no worse heat/humidity matchup than new orleans in the summer. i've lived in nigeria, been to SE asia. there's just nothing like it. most of the city is at or below sea level, and gets no breeze from anywhere. its one of the reasons i am glad i moved to CA.