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Dammit, how did that happen? Would it be at all possible for a moderator to edit this post? Take everything out before "Instead of BEING the seasonal catch"....
I hate this submisstion system. So clugy, so unforgiving, no way to go back and fix mistakes.
The catch Bernadina made last year was definitely better than this one, but the circumstances in that game last year weren't what they were yesterday. And when that ball first came off the bat I thought for sure it was gone, or at least a game-ending gapper.
I think the oversell is probably due to the fact that the *announcers* lost sight of Bernadino as he went behind the pylon, which made them think it was a harder play than it was. He ran down a fly ball to the gap.
You guys are such curmudgeons. I thought it was worth every iota of excitement it created.
It was a nice catch and a great way to end a ballgame. But do you think it was worthy of creating "I’ve never seen anything like that in my life,” kind of comments?
If it had been a little more the other way towards the Crawford boxes it probably would have been gone, and it definitely would have won the game. Luckily it stayed more in the middle where Minute Maid gets deep in a hurry. That ball went something like 380-390 into that little well cutout area.
You guys are such curmudgeons.
Well, Hutcheson is just a bitter Atlanta fan. Whatever the true quality of that catch was, what was spectacular yesterday was the way Cole Hamels utterly humiliated the Braves.
17.Dale Sams posted on August 08, 2012 at 11:49 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
do you think it was worthy of creating "I’ve never seen anything like that in my life,” kind of comments?
Maybe they meant as a game-ending, game-saving catch.
I thought it was worth every iota of excitement it created.
I don't know that anybody above is really disagreeing with that. Within the context of the game, watching it as it happens, of course a Nats fan is going to be justifiably excited to see the game end on a play like that. And I agree with #13, his disappearing from view briefly kind of adds to the coolness factor. But just the technical merit of the catch: that's not really in the conversation for best play of the year; it's nowhere near as impressive as Trout robbing a home run from a few weeks ago, for example.
Whatever the true quality of that catch was, what was spectacular yesterday was the way Cole Hamels utterly humiliated the Braves.
The wannabes and hangers on always adjudge themselves by reference to their betters.
23.Dale Sams posted on August 08, 2012 at 11:57 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
that's not really in the conversation for best play of the year; it's nowhere near as impressive as Trout robbing a home run from a few weeks ago, for example.
Oh I agree, to his credit though, he did cover a hell of a lot of ground.
Maybe they meant as a game-ending, game-saving catch.
I doubt it's the best game-ending, game-saving catch FP has seen.
Reading the comments in the excerpt (but not Sam's) before seeing the video, I assumed I was going to see something like the Wise play or the Trout play or the Buehrle play.
Or something like this. Now that was a "holy crap" moment.
I agree completely that Hamels is better than anyone on Atlanta and someone they ought to judge themselves by. He certainly proved it with the way he breezily dominated the poor overmatched Braves last night.
26.Boxkutter posted on August 08, 2012 at 12:03 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Am I the only one here who had no idea that Roger Bernadina was black?
It also looked more dramatic because he leapt--he didn't need to, looks like he did (understandably) because he wasn't certain where he was in relation to the pylon.
Very very nice catch in a big situation, a lot of guys wouldn't have made it. But I don't think it deserves the word "spectacular."
The catch linked to in #24 was hella impressive, but shouldn't that have been a HR instead of an out? If the defender leaves the field of play to record the catch, that shouldn't be an out, right?
29.zack posted on August 08, 2012 at 12:10 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
I think the oversell is probably due to the fact that the *announcers* lost sight of Bernadino as he went behind the pylon, which made them think it was a harder play than it was. He ran down a fly ball to the gap.
What, you mean noted paragons of objectivity Bob Carpenter and FP Santangelo overreacted to a Nats play? Unthinkable.
Related to nothing, Carpenter says "are you kidding me?" way too often. Like twice a game.
The catch linked to in #24 was hella impressive, but shouldn't that have been a HR instead of an out? If the defender leaves the field of play to record the catch, that shouldn't be an out, right?
No. As long as he doesn't come down before he catches the ball, the out is recorded. A player wouldn't be allowed to leap the fence, establish his feet, and record the out.
31.JJ1986 posted on August 08, 2012 at 12:19 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Am I the only one here who had no idea that Roger Bernadina was black?
Torii Hunter also did not know.
32.dr. scott posted on August 08, 2012 at 12:20 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Blanco has made at least two catches this season that were better, and one was in the perfect game, but netiher was the last out... though it was close in the perfect game.
The situation, the fact that he lept out of view and the fact that he probably crashed into the wall really make this one an exciting play though.
No. As long as he doesn't come down before he catches the ball, the out is recorded. A player wouldn't be allowed to leap the fence, establish his feet, and record the out.
That seems logical, but where do the rules make that clear?
They address that a guy can fall into the stands after making a catch (in which case runners can advance), and they define a catch in 2.00, but I don't see where it's clear that you can't vault a low fence (as say in Fenway's RF) and make a legal catch.
No. As long as he doesn't come down before he catches the ball, the out is recorded. A player wouldn't be allowed to leap the fence, establish his feet, and record the out.
Interesting. Good to know. Seems a bit arbitrary, but the line has to be drawn somewhere arbitrary at the end of the day.
35.McCoy posted on August 08, 2012 at 12:30 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
What I find incredible is that the Nationals have needed to play extra innings to get two wins against the Astros and needed the Astros to play like the Bad News Bears in the first act to win the first game.
If you stand on top of the wall to make a catch, make sure you're standing in a place where, if the ball bounced there, it would bounce back onto the field of play/.
“You’ve just seen the greatest catch in Roger Bernadina’s career, and maybe — maybe — the best outfield play in the young history of this ballclub,” Bob Carpenter said.
41.TerpNats posted on August 08, 2012 at 12:38 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
DA, that Bernadina catch was from last year. Until last night, that may have been the best catch in Nats history, though it wasn't anywhere as game-saving. (I recall Ryan Church made a fine play in 2005 to help save a win at Pittsburgh.)
42.Kurt posted on August 08, 2012 at 12:40 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
The catch linked to in #24 was hella impressive, but shouldn't that have been a HR instead of an out? If the defender leaves the field of play to record the catch, that shouldn't be an out, right?
We've had a thread on that catch before (see posts 11-16), in which I asked this exact question. It doesn't seem clear from the rules one way or the other.
Todd Coffey is unfortunately in the very early stages of Tommy John recovery, but you can witness a younger, left-handed version if you watch a Diamondbacks game.
That seems logical, but where do the rules make that clear?
They address that a guy can fall into the stands after making a catch (in which case runners can advance), and they define a catch in 2.00, but I don't see where it's clear that you can't vault a low fence (as say in Fenway's RF) and make a legal catch.
OK, what I said above was only half right (I think). He can't establish contact with the other side, but it isn't as simple as just being in air. He must also have part of his foot somewhere inside the field of play, as noted in the rulebook here (assuming the same rule applies to fair balls as foul balls. It's the closest thing to an on-point ruling I've found):
A fielder, in order to make a catch on a foul ball nearing a dugout or other out-of-play area (such as the stands), must have one or both feet on or over the playing surface (including the lip of the dugout) and neither foot on the ground inside the dugout or in any other out-of-play area.
In this case, it's impossible to tell for certain whether any of his body was still in the field of play when he made the catch. If you look at the still image in one of the other linked You Tube videos, you can see that it was going to be really close (though my guess is since the ball was likely moving faster than the foot, he was just barely in play when the catch was recorded).
In this case, it's impossible to tell for certain whether any of his body was still in the field of play when he made the catch. If you look at the still image in one of the other linked You Tube videos, you can see that it was going to be really close (though my guess is since the ball was likely moving faster than the foot, he was just barely in play when the catch was recorded).
Yeah, it's really really close, and my assumption going in (base instinct; i.e. wild guess) would be that if his entire body were already over the fence when he made the catch, it shouldn't be an out. But on that play (especially in the minors) the umps going to give the out for the effort, I suspect.
I'd love to see something like this come up in the Majors, say in a playoff game in Fenway or something.
But on that play (especially in the minors) the umps going to give the out for the effort, I suspect.
It was a college conference tournament game, so he essentially saved his team's season (though the homer would have only tied the score). And his coach was retiring after the season, so the catch assured him at least one more game.
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1 2 3 >I hate this submisstion system. So clugy, so unforgiving, no way to go back and fix mistakes.
Agreed, because you can definitely argue it and that's a really small pool of noteworthy plays.
Same here. I really thought it was going to be spectacular.
Ok, the announcers go over the top. Still a great catch.
It was a nice catch and a great way to end a ballgame. But do you think it was worthy of creating "I’ve never seen anything like that in my life,” kind of comments?
You guys are such curmudgeons.
Well, Hutcheson is just a bitter Atlanta fan. Whatever the true quality of that catch was, what was spectacular yesterday was the way Cole Hamels utterly humiliated the Braves.
Maybe they meant as a game-ending, game-saving catch.
I don't know that anybody above is really disagreeing with that. Within the context of the game, watching it as it happens, of course a Nats fan is going to be justifiably excited to see the game end on a play like that. And I agree with #13, his disappearing from view briefly kind of adds to the coolness factor. But just the technical merit of the catch: that's not really in the conversation for best play of the year; it's nowhere near as impressive as Trout robbing a home run from a few weeks ago, for example.
The wannabes and hangers on always adjudge themselves by reference to their betters.
Oh I agree, to his credit though, he did cover a hell of a lot of ground.
I doubt it's the best game-ending, game-saving catch FP has seen.
Reading the comments in the excerpt (but not Sam's) before seeing the video, I assumed I was going to see something like the Wise play or the Trout play or the Buehrle play.
Or something like this. Now that was a "holy crap" moment.
Very very nice catch in a big situation, a lot of guys wouldn't have made it. But I don't think it deserves the word "spectacular."
What, you mean noted paragons of objectivity Bob Carpenter and FP Santangelo overreacted to a Nats play? Unthinkable.
Related to nothing, Carpenter says "are you kidding me?" way too often. Like twice a game.
No. As long as he doesn't come down before he catches the ball, the out is recorded. A player wouldn't be allowed to leap the fence, establish his feet, and record the out.
Torii Hunter also did not know.
The situation, the fact that he lept out of view and the fact that he probably crashed into the wall really make this one an exciting play though.
They address that a guy can fall into the stands after making a catch (in which case runners can advance), and they define a catch in 2.00, but I don't see where it's clear that you can't vault a low fence (as say in Fenway's RF) and make a legal catch.
Interesting. Good to know. Seems a bit arbitrary, but the line has to be drawn somewhere arbitrary at the end of the day.
Googling "Amazing catch Washington Nationals" gives me this leaping Roger Bernadina catch from last year.
EDIT: Wrong year.
We've had a thread on that catch before (see posts 11-16), in which I asked this exact question. It doesn't seem clear from the rules one way or the other.
Yes, I edited my post to reflect that.
Well, are they? Don't leave us in suspense.
OK, what I said above was only half right (I think). He can't establish contact with the other side, but it isn't as simple as just being in air. He must also have part of his foot somewhere inside the field of play, as noted in the rulebook here (assuming the same rule applies to fair balls as foul balls. It's the closest thing to an on-point ruling I've found):
A fielder, in order to make a catch on a foul ball nearing a dugout or other out-of-play area (such as the stands), must have one or both feet on or over the playing surface (including the lip of the dugout) and neither foot on the ground inside the dugout or in any other out-of-play area.
In this case, it's impossible to tell for certain whether any of his body was still in the field of play when he made the catch. If you look at the still image in one of the other linked You Tube videos, you can see that it was going to be really close (though my guess is since the ball was likely moving faster than the foot, he was just barely in play when the catch was recorded).
Yeah, it's really really close, and my assumption going in (base instinct; i.e. wild guess) would be that if his entire body were already over the fence when he made the catch, it shouldn't be an out. But on that play (especially in the minors) the umps going to give the out for the effort, I suspect.
I'd love to see something like this come up in the Majors, say in a playoff game in Fenway or something.
It was a college conference tournament game, so he essentially saved his team's season (though the homer would have only tied the score). And his coach was retiring after the season, so the catch assured him at least one more game.
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