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too naturally talented, to be using
I'm pretty sure this was never a thing.
I generally agree with you on PEDs, but nobody could possibly look at Greg Maddux and Jeff Bagwell and believe they were equally likely to be using PEDs.
Let's boil it down - with a gun to your head, and you have to get it right, would you say Maddux or Clemens is more likely to have used PEDs? Some of you sound like you'd rather get your head blown off than to even take a guess.
Me, I'll take a wild stab at picking the guy whose own wife says she got injected by a very unsavory character - at least, to hear Clemens supporters describe him.
It's more about wondering if there is any common sense whatsoever, beyond "we don't know" anything at all. You're not on a jury, and you're not voting either guy in or out of the Hall of Fame here.
Correct. And the fact that one player's wife was injected by what you agree is an unsavory character who worked with that pitcher extensively suggests nothing at all whether that player is more likely to have used such substances himself? It is logical to not even be able to guess, not even 51-49, which is more likely?
actually i would suspect maddux more strongly because the government spent MILLIONS looking everywhere trying desperately to find SOME evidence that clemens shot up and all they could find was mcnamee who is just not believeable and i think that clemens has done more than enough to clear his name
He was 18 or 19 when that picture was taken. I'm inclined to believe that he didn't take steroids - some guys are just naturally huge.
Not really. In the moment he probably had a good idea that guys were cheating, perhaps that his massive natural strength advantage was being eroded away, and that he was against it.
In the absence of such being done, I will not credit Thomas's numbers and I don't think he belongs in the Hall. He made a mockery of the game by playing with an unfair natural strength advantage. Others tried to use steroids to catch up to him in strength because they weren't born with such a massive size advantage, and he spoke out against it and tried to preserve his unfair advantage. That really is pretty terrible, and indicates poor sportsmanship and integrity. He fails the character clause.
Ray: Frank Thomas is a helluva guy to make your argument with and it's not doing you any favors. If you can't parse out the difference between Bagwell and Frank, Clemons and Maddux, and you are indeed an attorney, then you're being intentionally obtuse.
Umm, that's not an equal comparison. For as much as I've pointed out what a serial, self-confessed multiple liar McNamee is, Clemens is simply not in the same boat as Maddux since Clemens does have someone pointing the finger at him. That counts for something.
Boog Powell was on M&M's, not hGH. Frank Thomas of the White Sox was born gigantic. And Americans grow ever larger by the month. It's hard to believe now, but Reggie Jackson's playing weight was 200 pounds. The self-styled "straw that stirs the drink" was built like an actual straw, swizzle-stick skinny compared with Thomas, who is listed at 275.
That seems unlikely. Both Washington and Jaramillo are optimistic, pointing to the success of Thomas, who, at 38 and coming off a down season, rejuvenated his career with the A's last year. Washington, a third base coach with Oakland in '06, recalls that Thomas told the team he would need spring training and then 100 to 110 at bats to get started. "I think it took 103--and he took off," Washington says. ( Thomas hit .184 with seven homers in his first 103 at bats and .295 with 32 homers in his 363 subsequent at bats.) Sosa will likely get the same opportunity, seeing enough at bats in spring and the season's first month to find his stroke.
Frank Thomas in 1987. He was 18 or 19 when that picture was taken. I'm inclined to believe that he didn't take steroids - some guys are just naturally huge.
Greg Maddux, at least once, used something other than greenies that has now been banned.
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