Saturday, May 18, 2013
Murray Chass: ARE RED SOX REELING ALREADY?
(www.murraychass.com)
Read More...Shaughnessy is too good to have to invent anything. He neither invented anything in this instance nor accused Ortiz of using steroids and their cousins. What he did was take his skepticism and his curiosity, good traits for a newspaperman to have, and ask Ortiz about steroids. Ortiz’s responses did not indicate anger of being accused of wrong doing.
I would compare the Ortiz column to the columns I have written about Mike Piazza and my suspicions about his possible use of steroids. I ...
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His average fastball is up 4-5 MPH over the last 3-4 years.
Rich people go to jail.
Even if they don't go to jail, rich people get convicted of felonies, which screw up your life in all kinds of ways, until you are dead or pardoned.
Well, it's the Obama administration, so, dead.
It also sets a bad example for anybody who thinks they're rich, or thinks they're innocent, or thinks their reputation is worth maintaining, etc., etc.
Just... don't say anything. People will think what they want to think, and nothing you say is going to change that.
I say ban him from the game for at least three years.
You have to weigh the upside and the downside. For most of us, the upside is tiny, but it could be millions and millions of dollars for Gio Gonzalez.
Because this counted for something for all the steroids players who were accused without evidence?
When the accusation alone counts as evidence in the minds of the public, there's not much counting-for-something you can do.
If everything Gio said above is 100% accurate, then he should shout it from the rooftop.
The Dad trying to take the fall is an interesting twist. God knows there are no other ways to lose weight than the local shady steroid dealer.
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A professional football player? Using steroids?!
Why would that be dumb? Steroids would give your son a competitive advantage -- one it looks like he very well may availed himself of.
Not a problem. He talked with Jesus first.
It's nothing he can't shoot his way out of.
He was probably just sticking up for his friends.
Because, you know, it's totally natural to go from having a completely torn triceps muscle to playing professional football in like six weeks. Definitely nothing fishy there at all - and we all know Ray is a stand up guy.
He was trying to play better and keep his libido up. You know, kill two birds with one stone.
Don't worry, he'll cut through these allegations to get to the heart of the truth.
Maybe he saw others around him on PEDs and said "I'll take a stab at that as well"?
No one cares; the current narrative is that he is now an inspirational good guy, whose clever dance, winning smile and tough and inspirational play on the field over-rides any concerns of bad acts.
In all seriousness, he's going to get the Pettitte treatment. "He used PEDs to get back on the field because he cared SO much about winning, not like those cheaters like Bonds and A-Rod, who used PEDs for selfish gain like hitting home runs!"
Football has a culture of getting back on the field by any means necessary that long predates modern PEDs. I'm not sure there's an analog in baseball.
At this point, pro football in the United States is a culture unto itself that almost transcends sports. It's more akin to war. It doesn't really teach much of value to or about sport or sportsmanship, and therefore I wouldn't extrapolate any of its mores or lessons to more pure sports.
So football is different... simply because. Very profound, SugarBear.
Whether this is true or not, the league does have a PED policy and does issue suspensions for violations.
Do they suspend for violations that don't come from tests?
Yeah, because that's what I said -- "just because."
/eyeroll
While Gonzalez's father doing this is a, ummm, convenient coincidence, this isn't surprising at all. Did you read the story -- I made it through about the first 9 pages of it. The sources are these "regular people" who went to this guy. One source is a 40-year-old woman who felt her workouts were starting to drag and Bosch had her injecting Winstrol on a daily basis. The secretary was unpaid but she was kinda OK with it because she was getting the drugs for free. The main source is a guy who went there because he wanted to look better, looked up the drugs on the internet and kept injecting himself. I think that was the same guy whose main concern was whether his balls would shrivel up.
"Anti-aging" isn't a cover for "we provide PEDs for athletes", it's cover for "we provide PEDs and HGH for anybody with the money to pay for them." There are a lot of vain people with money in this world -- they've been keeping plastic surgeons in business for decades now.
What might be different here from BALCO is it seems that these regular people were fully informed of what they were taking. It would seem to be hard for any athlete caught up in this to succeed with a "I didn't know what I was doing" claim.
No, no, he shouldn't. Because if there is any real evidence to the contrary, or someone (without a dog in the fight, or otherwise clean/uninvolved) comes forward to contradict him, he will be seen as a liar who made self-serving statements to further his own self-interest. Many, many people have been convicted based on a denial, plus some evidence, no matter how weak, to the contrary.
Here's a video that spells this out well (from conservative Regent University; it's long, but the first twenty-five minutes are the best part): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
And here's a recent case from the North Carolina Court of Appeals (affirmed per curiam, without an opinion, by the North Carolina Supreme Court just last week) upholding a first-degree murder conviction based on one piece of DNA physical evidence, come circumstantial evidence, and the defendant's unequivocal denial to the cops: http://appellate.nccourts.org/opinions/?c=2&pdf=MjAxMi8xMS0xMzgyLTEucGRm
FWIW, in case it isn't obvious, I'm a criminal defense attorney, too.
Mr.Gonzalez assured me that Gio is as American as a whistle.
Not yet, anyway.
David Price
2009 - 92.9
2010 - 94.6
2011 - 94.8
2012 - 95.5
Sabathia
2002 - 92.3
2003 - 92.8
2004 - 93.8
2005 - 94.7
Josh Johnson
2005 - 91.0
2006 - 91.8
2007 - 92.4
2008 - 93.5
2009 - 95.0
Good point. Does Gio have any plans this weekend to visit a strip club in New Orleans?
It's not clear the sec'y was getting the drugs for free. She says she wasn't paid for two months of work but kept working (in that 2nd month presumably) because it was a bit of a "hobby" and she "wanted the drugs".
Also the article says the main source: He had visited the Coral Gables clinic on a friend's recommendation for the same reason so many others did: He'd recently hit his late 40s, felt his energy and libido sagging, and wanted to see what Bosch could do for him. So maybe he didn't want to "look better".
this isn't far from the truth, to me. the shameful way the guys who run the sport use up athletes, the barely concealed gambling culture, the PED pass they get from the press, etc. ... and it continues to be popular. it certainly doesn't feel like 'sport' in the antiquated sense of the word. gladiatorial, more like.
i watch it on occasion, and will probably watch some or all of the superbowl, but its like a bad habit i can't shake. i really dislike the NFL. if it got banned tomorrow, i'd have no problem with that whatsoever.
Better be safe and suspend him from his next game.
Totally understand that. That's why I led off with "No, no, he shouldn't. Because if there is any real evidence to the contrary, or someone (without a dog in the fight, or otherwise clean/uninvolved) comes forward to contradict him, he will be seen as a liar who made self-serving statements to further his own self-interest." He'll be "convicted" in the court of public opinion. See: Braun, Ryan; Clemens, Roger; Bonds, Barry.
BTW, there is now a "TJ" on the site, in addition to me ("T.J."). I'm pretty sure I've been around longer (mid-'90s?) than the new one! :)
Then why say anything?
Well, if you're old enough, you may recall that Gio was tossed off his high school team because the coach had finally had enough of Gio's mother. So, I'd say that the bona fides of his helicopter parents have been well-established.
Gio in Baseball America May 2004
Because Mantei T'eo's girlfriend was on call waiting, and he had to hang up before he got anything of substance from Gio.
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