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Dumb Dora/Donald doesn’t pretend to be enough of an ____________ .

If an already-signed player who hits an average of 20 home runs and 80 RBIs per year makes, say, $5 million per season, then surely a second player who is averaging 24 home runs and 86 RBIs deserves $6 million per year. It made perfect sense in those honest days, before the introduction of steroids and performance-enhancing drugs to the game.

But teams made deals based on the supposed integrity of the accumulated statistics ...

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1. RollingWave posted on March 05, 2013 at 05:11 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

well the Yankees can just call off their whole season if that happens......

2. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige posted on March 05, 2013 at 07:02 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

If true, this will help the Yanks in terms of their negotiations with Cano!

3. mathesond posted on March 05, 2013 at 08:14 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

If true, this will help the Yanks in terms of their negotiations with Cano!

Or, the Jays will get him on a cheap 2 year deal!

4. John Northey posted on March 05, 2013 at 08:32 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

C'mon Yankees - lets see you set a record for most suspended players in a season. Ichiro could be suspended if he wanted to be. Jeter tried but came up just short. Rivera was just doing it to get better so he could help the team. And so on.

5. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) posted on March 05, 2013 at 08:41 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

This is pretty crazy, and I think MLB must really be panicking as to the where to go from here. As a fan, I think its pretty sad that we might have 4 superstars under suspension at the same time. I don't think giving up on testing would ever be considered, so what do you have to do? Suspend a guy for 162 games the first offense, and void his contract? I certainly don't have a clue.

6. Shooty is in the Trust Tree

posted on March 05, 2013 at 08:53 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

I'll believe this when it's from an official source.

7. willcarrolldoesnotsuk posted on March 05, 2013 at 08:56 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

If this were true, how do the logistics of this work with respect to ARod's recovery from surgery? I mean, I don't know, but I imagine that the following two things are possible:

(1) Time on the DL doesn't count towards serving a suspension, but

(2) He's not actually on the DL yet.

So could the Yankees just not put him on the DL until after the number of games that he's suspended for have passed?

8. dejarouehg posted on March 05, 2013 at 08:56 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Not a big fan of printing rumors like this but there would certainly be some justice in seeing Braun and Arod suspended.

As for Cano, it's been virtually expected for a long time now.

To me, Granderson will be a surprise and pretty sad. Not that taking PED's necessarily makes you any worse a person than those that don't, but I would bet that he is above this. Hopefully this part is wrong.

9. SG posted on March 05, 2013 at 09:19 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

If this were true, how do the logistics of this work with respect to ARod's recovery from surgery? I mean, I don't know, but I imagine that the following two things are possible:

(1) Time on the DL doesn't count towards serving a suspension, but

(2) He's not actually on the DL yet.

Actually, neither of these are true. Time on the DL does count towards serving a suspension and he's already on the 60 day DL.

10. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) posted on March 05, 2013 at 09:26 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

As for Cano, it's been virtually expected for a long time now.

any particular reason?

11. John Northey posted on March 05, 2013 at 09:32 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

If this ends up being true I could easily see a big push for a full year suspension on a first offense - the push is already there but this would just jump that pressure.

Also, if true, boy did the Jays pick the right year to go for it - Yankees could be missing 3 big pieces for almost a third of the season, two unexpectedly.

12. Don't want the truth; just wanna see some dingers posted on March 05, 2013 at 09:39 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

It's just a ploy to drive Braun and Cano's value down during this week's fantasy drafts.

13. Publius Publicola posted on March 05, 2013 at 09:47 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Not that taking PED's necessarily makes you any worse a person than those that don't, but I would bet that he is above this. Hopefully this part is wrong.

This sounds like double-talk to me. Either you think PEDs are OK and so Granderson doing them doesn't change your mind about him any or you DON'T think they're OK and so his image is now damaged in your eyes. You can't say that they don't matter to you but you would hope he was above doing them.

any particular reason?

He's now being compared to Pedroia :)

14. Publius Publicola posted on March 05, 2013 at 09:50 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Odd that this coincides with the Yankees front office being singularly quiescent this past off-season. I wonder if they knew this was going to go down and decided to just give up on this year and keep their powder dry for the next.

15. Howie Menckel posted on March 05, 2013 at 09:53 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Edinson Volquez, Padres SP, was suspended in 2010 for 50 games but was on the DL anyway. He did lose 50 games of pay, which A-Rod would notice more.

Volquez and Yasmani Grandal, now also suspended, were in the same Reds-Padres deal. hmm

16. zonk posted on March 05, 2013 at 09:55 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Why doesn't someone just check for backne?

17. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama

posted on March 05, 2013 at 10:09 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Freddie Galvis served his suspension for the Phillies on the DL last year.

18. Nasty Nate posted on March 05, 2013 at 10:24 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Whoa

19. SoSH U at work posted on March 05, 2013 at 10:25 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Edinson Volquez, Padres SP, was suspended in 2010 for 50 games but was on the DL anyway. He did lose 50 games of pay, which A-Rod would notice more.

Freddie Galvis served his suspension for the Phillies on the DL last year.

Yes, but that's Edinson and Freddie, who don't matter. Can you imagine the high-pitched wailing if Arod is allowed to serve a roids suspension while on the DL. The columns demanding MLB get rid of the Rodriguez Loophole will be too numerous to count, and will really put a strain on poor Repoz.

20. Shooty is in the Trust Tree

posted on March 05, 2013 at 10:36 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

The source of this story is, um, nontraditional.

Not that they're wrong, but even they seem surprised they're breaking news.

21. Dale Sams posted on March 05, 2013 at 10:47 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Why would there need to be panic or an increase of penalties? What pct. of MLB (and milb) players got caught in the last 12 months? MLB can't help that the general public are a bunch of screaming ninnies, inflammed by the national media.

You are NEVER going to be able to stop the use of PEDs....I mean, maybe, life in prison. But I doubt it.

22. Nasty Nate posted on March 05, 2013 at 10:53 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Why would there need to be panic or an increase of penalties? What pct. of MLB (and milb) players got caught in the last 12 months?

I agree. I don't understand how someone receiving a penalty somehow means that the penalty is not enough.

23. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) posted on March 05, 2013 at 10:55 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Why would there need to be panic or an increase of penalties?

Because the children! Think of them!

This whole thing is stupid. I wish I could just fast-forward to the part of history where people stop worrying about PEDs again.

24. gef the talking mongoose posted on March 05, 2013 at 10:57 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

It's just a ploy to drive Braun and Cano's value down during this week's fantasy drafts.

Too late. I forgot about mine, & ESPN auto-drafted Braun for me, 2nd overall. Which seems a bit high to me, but what do I know?

Third straight season I'll have had him.

25. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora posted on March 05, 2013 at 10:58 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

. But consider this: Bisceglie correctly prognosticated that Melky Cabrera would be suspended last season for a failed PED test almost a month before his suspension came.

My sources tell me that Melky Cabrera will be suspended soon for violation of MLB’s PED policy

— Joe Bisceglie (@joebisceglie) July 18, 2012

I'd need to know how often this guy's sources were wrong- if they were wrong 25 times and right just once...

26. Bob Tufts posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:00 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

In 2012, 5 positive results out of 5,000 tests.

27. GuyM posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:05 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

You are NEVER going to be able to stop the use of PEDs....I mean, maybe, life in prison. But I doubt it.

I suspect these guys will use PEDs even more once they are in prison.....

28. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:07 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Why would there need to be panic or an increase of penalties? What pct. of MLB (and milb) players got caught in the last 12 months?

And what pct of NFL players?

29. AROM posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:09 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

You are NEVER going to be able to stop the use of PEDs....I mean, maybe, life in prison. But I doubt it.

Executions greatly reduce the number of repeat offenders.

30. Harveys Wallbangers

posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:09 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

braun bobblehead day scheduled for game 51 in milwaukee

31. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:18 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

braun bobblehead day scheduled for game 51 in milwaukee

His head keeps getting bigger! Clear evidence of steroids!

32. Esoteric throws a 'hard slider' posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:21 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Well if this is true it's gonna be an apocalypse for the Yanks.

If it's true.

33. Jolly Old St. Nick Done Jumped The Ship

posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:21 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

By the time all this plays out, the only upside for the Yankees is that they might actually be able to position themselves as "scrappy underdogs" for the first time since the days of Elliott Maddox and Larry Gura.

34. Canker Soriano posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:24 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

And what pct of NFL players?

NFL players always talk about giving 110%. I bet that's in the ballpark for PED use.

35. Esoteric throws a 'hard slider' posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:26 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Odd that this coincides with the Yankees front office being singularly quiescent this past off-season. I wonder if they knew this was going to go down and decided to just give up on this year and keep their powder dry for the next.

It would make sense. But what's the turnaround time on these tests? The Yanks would have had to know about this early on to formulate an offseason strategy around it.

That is, of course, assuming that this isn't all just rumormongering bullshit.

36. Bob Tufts posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:33 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

NFL players always talk about giving 110%

Hypnotist: You will beat Shelbyville.
Team: We will beat Shelbyville.
Hypnotist: You will give 110%.
Team: That's impossible. No one can give more than 100%. By definition, that is the most anyone can give.

37. Blastin posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:38 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

It's not showing up anywhere else. And this type of thing tends to show up other places.

Now, if it's like the Melky thing, I guess we find out in a month. For now, I'm very skeptical (not that they couldn't possibly be using, but of the sourcing).

38. Esoteric throws a 'hard slider' posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:42 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

It's not showing up anywhere else. And this type of thing tends to show up other places.

Now, if it's like the Melky thing, I guess we find out in a month. For now, I'm very skeptical (not that they couldn't possibly be using, but of the sourcing).

Click through to read what they write about that. The guy breaking the rumor was, indeed, 100% right about Melky and long before everyone else. And he says to people "look, I get it if you want to write me off again, but just remember you read it here first when ESPN acts like it's 'breaking' this story in four weeks."

So I guess we've got four weeks to go to test the validity of this rumor!

I hope it's false, really.

39. tfbg9 posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:43 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

You are NEVER going to be able to stop the use of PEDs....I mean, maybe, life in prison. But I doubt it.

In 2012, 5 positive results out of 5,000 tests.

Well, you can't literally stop all use, but you can, as quote #2 shows, certainly take out a huge chunk of it, at least temporarily.
Thats a good thing.

40. Ray (RDP)

posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:43 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

This kind of story is explosive, and deserves tender care before people start going on witch hunts

Well, we can't have that happen.

41. John Northey posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:44 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

If I was MLB and wanted to find out who was leaking this stuff then sending out this rumour via one group would sure make it obvious who the leak was.

Still, with appeals and the like odds are the tests are known a month or so before they are announced which gives a big opening for people to leak info to the press. Did anyone else leak Cabrera's test last year before it was announced?

42. tfbg9 posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:45 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

My question is...who the hell is Joe Bisceglie?

43. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:48 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

This shouldn't have been posted. Even given that this guy has gotten one thing right in the past, it's still a completely unsubstantiated rumor at this point. If and when this is actually proven, then we can have a talk about what it means. But this? This isn't smoke. It's not even steam.

44. JJ1986 posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:48 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

If I was MLB and wanted to find out who was leaking this stuff

I don't think MLB cares at all. Bud Selig issued a public statement about Ryan Braun's supposedly confidential appeal.

45. Esoteric throws a 'hard slider' posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:50 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Did anyone else leak Cabrera's test last year before it was announced?

Um...yeah. This guy. A month before it was officially announced. Which is why people are paying attention to what he's saying now, and why this is being given more credit than the standard BS rumor would.

46. Blastin posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:51 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

If and when this is actually proven, then we can have a talk about what it means. But this? This isn't smoke. It's not even steam.

Yep.

47. Nasty Nate posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:51 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

If and when this is actually proven, then we can have a talk about what it means. But this? This isn't smoke. It's not even steam.

It something is proven, than it is no longer smoke or steam (i.e. a rumor), it is actual fire.

48. AROM posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:56 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

By the time all this plays out, the only upside for the Yankees is that they might actually be able to position themselves as "scrappy underdogs" for the first time since the days of Elliott Maddox and Larry Gura.

Melido Perez, Oscar Azocar, and Alvaro Espinoza may or may not fit your definition of scrappy, but they sure were underdogs. Definitely hard to look back with any affection for some of those guys though, like drunk driving killer Jim Leyritz and sex offenders Mel Hall and Luis Polonia. Certainly nobody had any illusions about that group contending for anything.

49. Esoteric throws a 'hard slider' posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:57 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Joe Bisceglie (the guy breaking this news, who also broke Melky) writes an article following up

Excerpt:

The most common response other than “wow” was something along the lines of “why should we listen to you, you have no credibility?” You guys are all right, I have no credibility. I can’t even name my source for you. One of the worst things about the internet is that any idiot can write any nonsense and post it as “news”. I wouldn’t have even read my own story unless it got picked up by ESPN or Yahoo or some other reputable sports website. I’m not a journalist. I’m not fuckin’ Peter Gammons, or Buster Olney. I’m a guy who took one journalism class 100 years ago in college...The most popular feature I write includes a picture of an attractive woman at the end so that people will actually read it.

Well worth reading in full.

50. Yastrzemski in left. posted on March 05, 2013 at 11:58 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Can someone who knows more then me tell me the health dangers of a highly regulated, monitored, cyclical PED program? Maybe we should ask Daniel Craig or Tom Cruise?

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