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Best defensive SS since Ozzie.
Iglesias is a human highlight reel, and will deservedly have a long career as a glove man.
Iglesias decided to stick out his glove late and stab at the ball from below, rather than holding out his glove earlier and coming at the ball more from the top. This is what fooled people into thinking that the play was special, but the end result was the same.
Most SS/2B in the league could have made the catch from where Iglesias started.
The lower to the playing surface the ball is caught, the more ground the fielder is able to cover.
No. They invented the over the shoulder catch and potential dive if needed more than 150 years ago. Someone should tell Iglesias.
There was nothing impressive about that Napoli homerun, almost every 1B in the league can hit a homer on a fastball right down the middle // BEEP*BOOP*BEEP
Ray, are you suggesting that you know more about how to play major league defense than Iglesias?
There is nothing impressive about a home run by a major leaguer. It's a perfect example, even though you offered it to mock.
His Rfield was ~0 this year, showing him to be roughly average with the glove by b-r metrics.
I loved this play by Iglesias, but really, it wasn't any better than all the plays I've loved before.
I thought Robbie Alomar had a great defensive rep?
4. Re the Avila collision where Ross ran into him, I think it's time that catchers start fighting back against this nonsense. Instead of just standing there like a sitting duck waiting for the runner to try to hurt you, raise your arm and deliver a forearm to the face of the incoming runner. Lower your shoulder and push forward into the runner, like on a football field where a defender waits for the ball carrier to show up and then just levels him. Let the ump call it and bring more attention to this utter nonsense where the game turns into football at home plate. People didn't like it when Albert Belle leveled Vina, so let them not like it when Avila sends Ross to the trainer's room or hospital.
1. I don't know what Tom Brookens was up to when he caused Cabrera to run through the stop sign by feverishly waving Cabrera home and then suddenly throwing up the stop sign and maybe that's the way you coach Jacoby Ellsbury on the bases or a normal runner, but you have a slow runner playing through an injury to his lower body and you just can't coach him that way.
2. Is there a way to defend the 3B umpire's positioning on the Brayan Pena play? I presume that's where he was supposed to be, but it seems outrageous.
The ump's positioning was right but just too close if that makes any sense.
And shove the condescension and snark, it's unnecessary.
Agree with #29 concerning RDP's 4 points, but also heartily second #32 concerning condescension.
I never see catchers really dropping the shoulder when they see a collision as inevitable, and it should not be done to "level him". Being stationary, they should always be able to get much lower than a sprinting runner, and flipping one or two onto their back using their own momentum would certainly send the message, and would be far less likely to trigger a brawl than the forearm to the face maneuver.
From what I saw Brookens did it exactly right.
Not really but I'll try to. Obviously he made a mistake and got too close but it was an awkward play with Pena fielding the ball behind him and Middlebrooks sliding away from the bag. If WMB had slid straight at the bag he would have been easily safe, no issue. If Fielder's throw hadn't forced Pena to reach back he would have been on top of the bag.
The ump's positioning was right but just too close if that makes any sense. At least that's how I saw it.
I have to disagree with that. If the umpire's positioning leads him to physically interfere with the play in any way, it's by definition wrong.
And yet, he got this particular runner thrown out at the plate. Had he simply put up the stop sign to begin with knowing who he was dealing with, the team would have been far better off.
I realize it's hard to construct a defense for this type of positioning (whether it was the umpire's fault or - more likely - is the way he was taught), so I won't get on you, but your "defense" is not much of one and actually is a bit confusing because you're saying he was both right and wrong.
There really aren't very many "oh my god wow!" type plays. We have seen 99.99% of these plays all the time, over and over and over again. Such as the silly charge/barehand/throw play at 3B we have been seeing for all of our lives. And yet there Miguel Cabrera was, of all people, doing it himself the other night. It's not hard for players of this skill level, who have to be able to do that or they wouldn't be playing there. It is a prerequisite, not a spectacular play.
And if there's one thing your running conversation with yourself has proven over the years, it's that you're a veritable cornocopia of knowledge about what other people believe and feel.
The troll wins again.
The Napoli home run is another example. He hit the ball 460 feet or whatever. So? We see that all the time.
He hit the ball 460 feet or whatever. So? We see that all the time.
Watching Iglesias just field routine groundballs is kind of fun because he makes it look so easy. Steady hands, accurate arm. It doesn't seem as strong as Simmons.
As #65 pointed out, we in fact don't see it "all the time", unless you definition of "all the time" is 0.004% of the time.
I presume you'll be wrist slapping everyone else in this thread who was condescending as well.
Baseball is a closed system. There are only so many possible plays in the dataset. We're not going to see the LF race across the diamond and make a catch near the right field foul pole. We're not going to see him fly in and back up first base on a ground ball to the infield. We're not going to see Iglesias fly out to deep left center field from the SS position and make a leaping catch of a drive deep in the gap near the warning track. Those would be truly "WOW OH MY GOD!" plays. And they're not possible.
What we're seeing would be "WOW OH MY GOD!" type plays for little league or high school. They're not for this level. People simply don't grasp that.
Impressive plays -- I'd have to think about it. I think the flip play from Jeter vs. the A's that nailed a non-sliding JeGiambi at the plate was impressive. Not for any athleticism, but, then, playing baseball is about more than that. It was impressive because he had the presence of mind and the foresight to sprint there in the first place from his position knowing that the throw was offline, which we don't see a lot.
Michael Humphreys's DRA has Alomar quite a bit higher (in the top half of 2B from his era, instead of near the bottom as dWAR has it). Still, Humphreys considers Alomar massively overrated.
It's hard to say. Alomar always looked great to me, but this may be one of those cases where looks deceive. One thing is sure: the guys that Humphreys rates above Alomar with the glove tended to be very, very steeply inferior hitters, and to have much shorter careers. Alomar may have won his Gold Gloves with his bat and his endurance, but you have to stay in the lineup to save runs. And by staying in it for a long time (even despite his rapid disappearance at the end), Alomar added quite a few negative seasons to his career advanced-defense stats.
That said, B-Ref's RField doesn't think he was much good even during his years in Toronto, which seems off to me. I'm closer to Rants's view on that.
Was this a turf issue maybe? I remember screwing around with the primitive 2B fielding stats we had in the early 90's, trying to figure out some sort of "corrected" range factor--adjusting for number of innings pitched by lefties, ground-ball rates of the pitching staff, that sort of thing. Two guys that always looked good to my naked eye and both played on turf--Knoblauch in Minnesota and Alomar in Toronto--never came out to even average.
Do people think I don't actually believe what I'm saying? That I am not making my comments in good faith? If you think that please say so.
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