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Davo, if you are really Darin's brother I feel bad about what I said in 36 (although I put in the edit before I saw your post in the other thread). I get so used to judging baseball players compared to MLBers, not the thousands they've outplayed to make it here in the first place. But if you are related to Joey Jeremiah, I take it all back!
51. I am as much related to Darin Mastroianni as you are to Rance Mulliniks, I suspect.
55.Greg (U)K posted on December 06, 2012 at 04:49 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
I'd try to pick up Drew Stubbs for a song.
Sure, but please god not another one by Beyonce.
56.spycake posted on December 06, 2012 at 04:52 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Interesting list in #50.
Revere didn't have much (if any) XBH power in the minors though either.
Denard Span was pretty low-power (not as low as Revere, but low) and took a big step forward in power (and basically his all-around hitting) around his 24th birthday. (Although he looks to have regressed a bit after age 25)
Revere is 24, turns 25 in May 2013. I don't think he will ever hit with any power. He's really just a younger, faster (and better defensive?) Jason Tyner, when Tyner was at his late career ~85 OPS+ "peak" with the Twins.
Yeah. Over his last 1200 minor league PAs (high A, AA, and AAA ball), Revere had 40 extra-base hits.
I'm just not seeing any scenarios in which he becomes even an ML regular. I'd love to be wrong, since he's a lot of fun to watch, but I can't see it happening.
Aaron hicks is One of those baseball mogul guys I always need a second to remember isn't a huge star
59.andrewberg posted on December 06, 2012 at 05:33 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Hicks, I think, really needs AAA time.
He has taken time to adapt to each level as he has been promoted. That does not strike me as the profile of a player who will do well being rushed.
51. I am as much related to Darin Mastroianni as you are to Rance Mulliniks, I suspect.
So what you're saying is that you ARE Darin Mastroianni posting under a poorly disguised pen name?
60.Walt Davis posted on December 06, 2012 at 06:20 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Looking at it slightly differently, an XBH/PA rate between .03 and .04 seems the minimum in the expansion era. Dal Maxvill is the only guy with a reasonable career below .03. Bill North and Otis Nixon are the only CF I noticed, mostly 2B/SS/C. Anyway, 22 players with at least 3000 PA and a rate under .04. There are 69 players between .04 and .05 and a reasonable number of CF so that is where Revere needs to get. Tom Goodwin at 268/332/339 can be added to the Nixon comp.
61.Walt Davis posted on December 06, 2012 at 08:38 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Sorry, unclear (and too late to edit) ... North and Nixon were the only CF I noticed between .03 and .04 XBH/PA.
62.DL from MN posted on December 06, 2012 at 08:45 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Most of his XBH are leg doubles. To be fair to Ben he's really good at stealing bases so a bunch of those singles end up with him at 2B.
I was looking at similar numbers the other day when I wanted to see how powerless Josh Thole had been last year. I learned that Revere and his teammate Jamey Carroll were MILES ahead of every other qualified batter in the lowest isolated power title battle.
So, I wondered, have there been other players who have started their career hitting for as little power as Revere (<13% XBH rate) who then started hitting for power later on? So I got a list of players who had seasons with XBH rates as low as Revere’s was. There are some interesting names on it:
Good stuff. I wouldn't hold my breath on Revere doing it. All of those except Kessinger showed some power in the minors, and Revere hasn't.
MiLB XBH%:
Revere 16
Puckett 23
Rose 29
Andrus 22
Vizquel 23
Kessinger 14
And at 25 I disagree with those who say he is "very young." At 25 (in May) you are about to enter your prime.
I guess this makes sense if the Phils go with Darin Ruf in LF and Domonic Brown in RF. Revere will have to catch the balls that Ruf can't get to and chase down the balls that Brown misplays. He'll be worn out by July.
In many ways, Revere is a younger, cheaper version of Bourn, who was drafted by Philadelphia and traded to Houston for Brad Lidge before the 2008 season when the Phillies won the World Series.
Both are speedy, small and left-handed hitters. Revere is listed at 5-foot-9 and 170 pounds, two inches shorter and 10 pounds lighter than Bourn.
Bourn had a .261 average, .325 on-base percentage, 61 extra-base hits and stole 102 bases in his first two full seasons -- both with the Astros. Revere had a .281 average, .322 on-base percentage, 33 extra-base hits and 74 steals in his first two full seasons. Perhaps the biggest difference between the two is bat control. Bourn struck out 251 times to only 100 for Revere.
A former first-round pick by the Twins, Revere is a .278 career hitter with 64 RBIs in his two-plus seasons with Minnesota. He has zero home runs in the majors in 989 at-bats and only five in 2,573 professional at-bats.
not to defend this trade, because i'm still not much of a fan of it, but bourn was 25 and 26 in the 2 years that excerpt refers to, whereas revere will only turn 25 this season. revere now has ~1000 PAs, but at the same age, bourn had only 150.
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Man, I loved the original show when I was 10 years old.
Sure, but please god not another one by Beyonce.
Revere didn't have much (if any) XBH power in the minors though either.
Denard Span was pretty low-power (not as low as Revere, but low) and took a big step forward in power (and basically his all-around hitting) around his 24th birthday. (Although he looks to have regressed a bit after age 25)
Revere is 24, turns 25 in May 2013. I don't think he will ever hit with any power. He's really just a younger, faster (and better defensive?) Jason Tyner, when Tyner was at his late career ~85 OPS+ "peak" with the Twins.
Yeah. Over his last 1200 minor league PAs (high A, AA, and AAA ball), Revere had 40 extra-base hits.
I'm just not seeing any scenarios in which he becomes even an ML regular. I'd love to be wrong, since he's a lot of fun to watch, but I can't see it happening.
He has taken time to adapt to each level as he has been promoted. That does not strike me as the profile of a player who will do well being rushed.
So what you're saying is that you ARE Darin Mastroianni posting under a poorly disguised pen name?
That game really had high expectations for Scott Moore for a few years.
Good stuff. I wouldn't hold my breath on Revere doing it. All of those except Kessinger showed some power in the minors, and Revere hasn't.
MiLB XBH%:
Revere 16
Puckett 23
Rose 29
Andrus 22
Vizquel 23
Kessinger 14
And at 25 I disagree with those who say he is "very young." At 25 (in May) you are about to enter your prime.
The AP story went there.
I put the important parts in bold.
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