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After his age-28 season. Whereas Cano was at 119 after his age-28 season.
Utley was at 126 after his age-28 season, 128 after age-29. Wait, he's not on the list?? (Ah, 735 games played through age 29.)
Although great-hitting 2B are not as uncommon as the article leads us to believe, the catch is that if the Yankees do not retain him they will need someone to play there, and the odds of getting someone close to Cano's caliber are pretty slim. OTOH, I hear that Alfonso Soriano is available.
I've long wondered why so many people misspell dilemma.
6.Greg (U)K posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:23 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
I've long wondered why so many people misspell dilemma.
I only really learned because of the "dilemma" class of card in the Star Trek: TNG Collectible Card Game.
That game was also useful for getting to know the names of the ensigns who manned the helm in each episode. So really, two practical benefits from one card game!
Of course previous to that I could never remember if the L or the M was doubled. Dillema, Dilema, or Dilemma...I think I'd pronounce them all roughly the same so there's no help there. I have no idea where Dilemna comes from, I've never seen that mistake before.
EDIT: I should note that this dilemma epiphany and Star Trek card gaming occurred quite a while ago.
7.RJ in TO posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:37 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
EDIT: I should note that this dilemma epiphany and Star Trek card gaming occurred quite a while ago.
Sure it did. A long, long time ago, like last Tuesday.
8.RJ in TO posted on November 12, 2012 at 11:39 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
Also, the Yankees are idiots if they let Cano walk. The guy is a hell of a hitter, a solid fielder, durable as all hell - especially for a second baseman - and there's not going to be anything close to his talents available at the position on the FA market. All it will cost the is money, and money really isn't ever going to be an issue for the Yankees.
Why a dilemma dilemma? Dilemma = two lemmas of equivalent strength.
The nice thing with maths is that they never have dilemmas despite having tons of lemmas. Of course, if mathematicians ever found two contradictory lemmas arising from basic axioms the game would be up and they all would have to go work at Walmart, so they don't look too hard for them.
Well, if they're not sure about resigning Cano and they want to get rid of A-Rod's contract, I'm sure Kasten would approve of taking the entirety of both contracts as a package deal. Would even give up Dee Gordon and a couple of prospects.
13.OCD SS posted on November 12, 2012 at 12:51 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
What are the Yankees going to spend the money on if not Cano? Can they afford Granderson and Cano and still get under the CBT in 2014? If not it seems like it would make more sense to sign Cano, shift Gardner to CF, and then replace Granderson with a cheaper LF option.
What are the Yankees going to spend the money on if not Cano?
Jeffrey Loria's new yacht, a new private jet for David Glass, another winter home for Stuart Sternberg, the possibilities are endless.
16.Darren posted on November 12, 2012 at 01:03 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
The real question with any 2b is how far into his 30s he'll last. Cano is bigger and stronger than most 2b, more like a Jeff Kent, so he seems like he may be an exception to this rule. He seems like as good of a bet as anyone to be worth a long-term deal.
Cano's association with the collective postseason failure and frustration over ARod's contract are affecting perceptions as to what Cano is worth.
Seems like they've become risk-averse since Igawa, passing on Chapman, Darvish, Cespedes. I can see them doing something similar with long-term contracts for established major leaguers.
"Dilemna" has been around for as long as I can remember. I'm positive it was spelled that way on a spelling bee when I was in grade school (which I got "wrong"), so I've assumed that's how it was spelled for my entire life. I'm also sure that I've seen it spelled that way in lots of newspapers.
This is a great shock to me.
Edit: I should note that I don't think I've ever actually typed/written the word before. I've said it, and seen it, but not used it.
I've never seen "Dilemna" written that way. It seems totally bizarre to me, who pronounces that word with an "n" in it?
Seems like they've become risk-averse since Igawa, passing on Chapman, Darvish, Cespedes. I can see them doing something similar with long-term contracts for established major leaguers.
What? If you want to say Igawa scared them off international free agents, that's one thing but since Igawa's deal they've signed--both for good and for bad--the new A-Rod contract, CC's original and modified contracts, and the Teixeira and Burnett deals. There's nothing in the Yankees' recent history that suggests they are averse to long-term deals to established MLB players.
"Dilemna" has been around for as long as I can remember. I'm positive it was spelled that way on a spelling bee when I was in grade school (which I got "wrong"), so I've assumed that's how it was spelled for my entire life. I'm also sure that I've seen it spelled that way in lots of newspapers.
Following the link posted earlier, and poking around, it was apparently spelled this way in Robinson Crusoe in 1719. So yes, it's been around a while. It's very strange for a misspelling to be that common for that long and yet never make it into the dictionary. If not as an outright correct spelling, at least as an acceptable alternative.
I have never heard of spelling "dilemma" with an N before. Do people who do this also pronounce it that way?
No, people are assuming it's like "column" or "autumn".
I thought by saying "I can see them doing something similar for established major leaguers" it was clear that I meant a future shift in response to ARod, Teixeira, et al.
I won't mind if they let Cano walk if he holds out for an 8-year deal.
23.bjhanke posted on November 12, 2012 at 02:29 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Wikipedia, not normally a dictionary, has an article for "dilemma" that actually takes some time to explain the "dilemna" discussion. Seems pretty authoritative, too, especially for a spelling entry in Wiki. - Brock Hanke
There should be enough money to re-sign Cano, probably with a backloaded deal that stays around ~$15M per year until some of that A-Rod/Tex/CC money starts coming off the payroll. Of course, no one can be all that sure how the new revenues will affect the bidding.
25.andrewberg posted on November 12, 2012 at 02:43 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Was really into this whole story until I saw that it was not written by Rick Aguilera.
I'm (well) under 50, and I had never heard this spelling. I don't know what that does to the sample.
33.Darren posted on November 12, 2012 at 05:19 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Never heard of it. But I must say, if the writer knew of its use in Robinson Crusoe and then intentionally used in an article on Robinson Cano, well then kudos are in order.
The confusion over "dilemna" likely is age-related.
Anyone over 50 who has never heard of this spelling version? Raise your hand.
Never heard it spelled that way for any reason other than a slip of the finger on a keyboard. Just think of pronouncing it "dilemna" and its absurdity becomes evident.
Now conflating "disinterested" with "uninterested", OTOH.....but therein lies age-related rants about trespassing on lawns, and between you and I, I won't go there.
Was really into this whole story until I saw that it was not written by Rick Aguilera.
Aguilermna.
36.SteveM. posted on November 12, 2012 at 05:53 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Anyone over 50 who has never heard of this spelling version? Raise your hand.
Raised. And I was a nerdy dictionary reader from age 7 or 8.
I am 42 and I have never heard of this. Of course, I had a completely Catholic Education K-12. Those nuns didn't go in for fancy new educational trends.
Never heard it spelled that way for any reason other than a slip of the finger on a keyboard. Just think of pronouncing it "dilemna" and its absurdity becomes evident.
It is absurd, but as Howie's 4 and Brock's wikipedia entry note, it's also a very real thing. I'm surprised so many of you weren't aware of this bizarre alt spelling.
Anyone over 50 who has never heard of this spelling version?
I'm nearly 50, have lived in U.S.A, England and now Australia(so have experience with 3 types of English!) and have never come across that before. It sound ridiculous in spite of Brock's Wiki research.
Over 50, not an English professor (but I was an English major very briefly many eons ago), and I've never encountered this spelling. Or perhaps I have and just forgotten it, which is why you can never count on the answers of anyone over 50.
I served - er, attended - 12 years of Catholic school, am 51, and somehow I used to make this mistake after graduation.
Could be a regional thing, too. But interesting to see that many have and many have NOT heard of it. Some English major will do the definitive paper on this, somnday....
I'm under 50 and have never encountered "dilemna" in real life, although I have read about the misspelling before.
43.NJ in NY posted on November 12, 2012 at 07:40 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Well under 50 and never encountered this before today.
44.Der_K posted on November 12, 2012 at 07:54 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
39, nerdy dictionary reader / decent at spelling bees as a kid,... and spelled this word with an 'n' until seeing it flagged by spell check a few years back. Never understood how I could have gotten this wrong for as long as I did (was unaware that it was a rogue alt spelling). Pronounced it as 'm'.
yes, always pronounced with an 'm', but felt like column or autumn, as Greg Pope notes in Post 20.
46.Walt Davis posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:27 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
Although there is "damned", seems to me that the "n" is always pronounced in similar existing words -- calumny, autumnal, damnation, condemnation -- so it should be in the misspelled "dilemna." No wonder you folks never found out you were misspelling it if you were also mispronouncing the misspelling. :-)
There's an Alanis Morrisette song in there somewhere.
I am 42 and I have never heard of this. Of course, I had a completely Catholic Education K-12. Those nuns didn't go in for fancy new educational trends.
damn near sixty here, taught by nuns, and can spell... I always thought it was "dilemna" and figured that the folks that wrote "dilemma" were the same folks that wrote "dominate"...
ya live and learn.
48.Greg (U)K posted on November 13, 2012 at 09:01 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
Anyone over 50 who has never heard of this spelling version? Raise your hand.
I'm under 30 and have never heard of it. As the Robinson Crusoe cite demonstrates it's not really new. Perhaps it's one of those cyclical things?
49.Greg (U)K posted on November 13, 2012 at 09:03 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
Now conflating "disinterested" with "uninterested", OTOH.....but therein lies age-related rants about trespassing on lawns, and between you and I, I won't go there.
Another cyclical one I think. Though I'm not sure anyone here is old enough to remember when the modern "normative" meanings were reversed a few centuries ago.
50.Greg (U)K posted on November 13, 2012 at 09:14 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
Other fun 17th century words that have found new life in present day youth culture: "unfriend" and "unpossible".
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1 2 >Utley was at 126 after his age-28 season, 128 after age-29. Wait, he's not on the list?? (Ah, 735 games played through age 29.)
Although great-hitting 2B are not as uncommon as the article leads us to believe, the catch is that if the Yankees do not retain him they will need someone to play there, and the odds of getting someone close to Cano's caliber are pretty slim. OTOH, I hear that Alfonso Soriano is available.
DilemMa
It definitely LOOKS better as "dilemna," though.
Turns out some of us may have been taught the wrong spelling, for some reason. I remember being shocked decades ago that I had it wrong
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/is-it-dilemma-or-dilemna.aspx
I only really learned because of the "dilemma" class of card in the Star Trek: TNG Collectible Card Game.
That game was also useful for getting to know the names of the ensigns who manned the helm in each episode. So really, two practical benefits from one card game!
Of course previous to that I could never remember if the L or the M was doubled. Dillema, Dilema, or Dilemma...I think I'd pronounce them all roughly the same so there's no help there. I have no idea where Dilemna comes from, I've never seen that mistake before.
EDIT: I should note that this dilemma epiphany and Star Trek card gaming occurred quite a while ago.
Sure it did. A long, long time ago, like last Tuesday.
The nice thing with maths is that they never have dilemmas despite having tons of lemmas. Of course, if mathematicians ever found two contradictory lemmas arising from basic axioms the game would be up and they all would have to go work at Walmart, so they don't look too hard for them.
Usually mistakes are made in the opposite direction, making the word easier to say by deleting phonemes.
Jeffrey Loria's new yacht, a new private jet for David Glass, another winter home for Stuart Sternberg, the possibilities are endless.
Seems like they've become risk-averse since Igawa, passing on Chapman, Darvish, Cespedes. I can see them doing something similar with long-term contracts for established major leaguers.
This is a great shock to me.
Edit: I should note that I don't think I've ever actually typed/written the word before. I've said it, and seen it, but not used it.
What? If you want to say Igawa scared them off international free agents, that's one thing but since Igawa's deal they've signed--both for good and for bad--the new A-Rod contract, CC's original and modified contracts, and the Teixeira and Burnett deals. There's nothing in the Yankees' recent history that suggests they are averse to long-term deals to established MLB players.
Following the link posted earlier, and poking around, it was apparently spelled this way in Robinson Crusoe in 1719. So yes, it's been around a while. It's very strange for a misspelling to be that common for that long and yet never make it into the dictionary. If not as an outright correct spelling, at least as an acceptable alternative.
I have never heard of spelling "dilemma" with an N before. Do people who do this also pronounce it that way?
No, people are assuming it's like "column" or "autumn".
I won't mind if they let Cano walk if he holds out for an 8-year deal.
Anyone over 50 who has never heard of this spelling version? Raise your hand.
Raised. And I was a nerdy dictionary reader from age 7 or 8.
I'm (well) under 50, and I had never heard this spelling. I don't know what that does to the sample.
Anyone over 50 who has never heard of this spelling version? Raise your hand.
Never heard it spelled that way for any reason other than a slip of the finger on a keyboard. Just think of pronouncing it "dilemna" and its absurdity becomes evident.
Now conflating "disinterested" with "uninterested", OTOH.....but therein lies age-related rants about trespassing on lawns, and between you and I, I won't go there.
Aguilermna.
I am 42 and I have never heard of this. Of course, I had a completely Catholic Education K-12. Those nuns didn't go in for fancy new educational trends.
It is absurd, but as Howie's 4 and Brock's wikipedia entry note, it's also a very real thing. I'm surprised so many of you weren't aware of this bizarre alt spelling.
I'm nearly 50, have lived in U.S.A, England and now Australia(so have experience with 3 types of English!) and have never come across that before. It sound ridiculous in spite of Brock's Wiki research.
I served - er, attended - 12 years of Catholic school, am 51, and somehow I used to make this mistake after graduation.
Could be a regional thing, too. But interesting to see that many have and many have NOT heard of it. Some English major will do the definitive paper on this, somnday....
yes, always pronounced with an 'm', but felt like column or autumn, as Greg Pope notes in Post 20.
There's an Alanis Morrisette song in there somewhere.
damn near sixty here, taught by nuns, and can spell... I always thought it was "dilemna" and figured that the folks that wrote "dilemma" were the same folks that wrote "dominate"...
ya live and learn.
I'm under 30 and have never heard of it. As the Robinson Crusoe cite demonstrates it's not really new. Perhaps it's one of those cyclical things?
Another cyclical one I think. Though I'm not sure anyone here is old enough to remember when the modern "normative" meanings were reversed a few centuries ago.
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