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    51. yo la tengo posted on November 13, 2012 at 10:15 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I'm dangerously close to 50 and I keep getting corrected by WORD when I spell it with an n. It just looks more appealing somehow. Also on the grammar front, yesterday I was corrected by a colleague when I said that we would have a committee meeting in spite of some other conflict that had popped up. She told me we would have the meeting despite the other conflict. I realize how silly my phrase sounds after being corrected but I am sure I have misused that phrase MANY times in my life.
    52. philphan posted on November 13, 2012 at 12:57 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Fascinating. Over 50, and a professional editor for 30+ years. But I have never heard of this problem, and have never encountered "dilemna," as far as I can recall.
    53. Random Transaction Generator posted on November 13, 2012 at 01:22 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I've told my history of "delimna" back at #18, but for the demographic research being done, I'm 41, public education, Canadian, Bachelor's degree (BMath), and usually proud of my spelling (as I dominated spelling bees in my school primary school).
    54. Never Give an Inge (Dave) posted on November 13, 2012 at 01:33 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I'm 33, got a great U.S. public school education, and have heard of "dilemna". For a while I had to look it up in the dictionary every time I wrote the word to make sure I was spelling it correctly. I suspect I was taught to spell it "mn" at some point, which is why my brain doesn't automatically process that spelling as wrong.

    In a similar vein, I've seen the mistake between dominant and dominate and lose and loose so often that I started to think that I was wrong.

    I hate it when people use "dominate" instead of "dominant". And working in the world of Powerpoint pitchbooks, I see people make that mistake a lot.

    The one that always bugs me is "lead" vs. "led". People often write the former when they mean the latter. I suspect it is because the element is spelled like "lead" and pronounced like "led", which confuses people. Or because people are stupid.
    55. Never Give an Inge (Dave) posted on November 13, 2012 at 01:38 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0


    Also on the grammar front, yesterday I was corrected by a colleague when I said that we would have a committee meeting in spite of some other conflict that had popped up. She told me we would have the meeting despite the other conflict. I realize how silly my phrase sounds after being corrected but I am sure I have misused that phrase MANY times in my life.

    Funny, I saw someone make that same mistake in a presentation yesterday. I thought about correcting them but decided it wasn't worth it.
    56. Biff, highly-regarded young guy posted on November 13, 2012 at 01:50 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I suspect it is because the element is spelled like "lead" and pronounced like "led", which confuses people.

    Maybe they just hate Led Zeppelin.

    I'm 28, I was also a dominant spelling bee force in elementary school and middle school, and I've never heard of "dilemna".
    57. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) posted on November 13, 2012 at 02:08 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I'm 37, won a vocabulary award in Grade 5, and have never heard of dilemna either.

    My biggest language peeve is when people use "loan" as a verb. It is a noun only, the verb is lend/lent.
    58. Tuque  posted on November 13, 2012 at 02:49 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I don't remember ever seeing "dilemna" before, and I probably wouldn't have even noticed it here if people hadn't pointed it out. But now it makes my brain grind every time I see it.
    59. Randy Jones  posted on November 13, 2012 at 02:52 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Never seen the "dilemna" thing before.

    My biggest language peeve is when people use "loan" as a verb. It is a noun only, the verb is lend/lent.

    Merriam-Webster lists loan as both noun and verb.
    60. DKDC posted on November 13, 2012 at 02:56 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I can't really recall seeing someone use dominate when they mean dominant. Maybe I've seen it once or twice, I guess, but not enough for it to stick with me or for it to seem like a "thing" to me.

    Is this really that common? Is it a spelling error/mental typing thing, or do people actually think dominate is the right word? Sometimes my thoughts will cross and I'll type the wrong word, but I catch it immediately in a proofread.
    61. Pat Rapper's Delight posted on November 13, 2012 at 03:03 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    44 years old. Grew up in Southwest Louisiana and have never heard of "dilemna" until this thread... which means I'll probably notice it in 3 or 4 different places over the next week.

    My current grammar pet peeves: Misuse of loose/lose and breath/breathe.
    62. SoSH U at work posted on November 13, 2012 at 03:09 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Is this really that common? Is it a spelling error/mental typing thing, or do people actually think dominate is the right word? Sometimes my thoughts will cross and I'll type the wrong word, but I catch it immediately in a proofread.


    I saw it on this site in the past week or so. It's fairly common. I don't think it begins with thinking the proper word is "dominate," (with the long "a" sound), but by not hearing the "n" in dominant and thus spelling it to match how they hear/speak it.

    As for my gripes, I don't like the unneccessary "ta" added to preventive, which is such a nice, crisp word.



    63. JJ1986 posted on November 13, 2012 at 03:22 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The thing that bugs me far more than anything else is when people use "less" instead of "fewer".
    64. Tippecanoe posted on November 13, 2012 at 04:17 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I'm 50 [note: happy 50th, Jamie Moyer], and I'm sure I was spelling it the wrong way until probably 20 years ago. I can even remember being confused about the etymology, since it seemed from the pronunciation that it should have been about a pair of lemmas.

    Speaking of odd word usage, yesterday, I clicked on weather.com and the headline said "FLOODING WRECKS HAVOC IN VENICE"... I suppose I can be thankful it didn't create havoc.
    65. Sweatpants posted on November 13, 2012 at 04:21 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Also on the grammar front, yesterday I was corrected by a colleague when I said that we would have a committee meeting in spite of some other conflict that had popped up. She told me we would have the meeting despite the other conflict. I realize how silly my phrase sounds after being corrected but I am sure I have misused that phrase MANY times in my life.
    What's the difference between the two? I always thought they were interchangeable.
    66. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle posted on November 13, 2012 at 06:31 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Somewhere in the neighborhood of 50, grew up in the NE, both parents were English teachers, and dilemna is the only spelling I recall. A friend and I even used to (this would have been third grade or so) mock the silly (but, we thought, correct) spelling and in conversation pronounced it "duh-lem-NUH".

    Never even noticed it spelled with two ems until today, or just assumed two ems was the misspelling. I was fine making the move from "Oriental" to "Asian", but if Dafoe had dilemnas, it's good enough for mne.
    67. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on November 13, 2012 at 06:44 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    My biggest language peeve is when people use "loan" as a verb. It is a noun only

    Never heard this rule before either.

    Also on the grammar front, yesterday I was corrected by a colleague when I said that we would have a committee meeting in spite of some other conflict that had popped up. She told me we would have the meeting despite the other conflict.

    Never heard this rule before either.

    I can't really recall seeing someone use dominate when they mean dominant. Maybe I've seen it once or twice, I guess, but not enough for it to stick with me or for it to seem like a "thing" to me.

    Seen this a bunch of times. Never dilemna.
    68. Infinite Joost (Voxter)  posted on November 13, 2012 at 06:58 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I am 32, and had never seen it spelled "dilemna" until yesterday. I find it mystifying that so many people have.
    69. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past  posted on November 13, 2012 at 07:26 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    50++, never saw it with an "n" that I recall. However, I can see how one could speed-read past it without noticing.
    70. Never Give an Inge (Dave) posted on November 13, 2012 at 07:50 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0


    Is this really that common? Is it a spelling error/mental typing thing, or do people actually think dominate is the right word? Sometimes my thoughts will cross and I'll type the wrong word, but I catch it immediately in a proofread.

    I spent a year working for a non-native English speaker who frequently made this mistake and I would always have to fix it. I am sure she thought "dominate" was the correct spelling since it happened so often. She never seemed to notice that it had been changed in the final materials. I have since noticed it occasionally in correcting a subordinate's work, but I think they get it after I correct it once.
    71. yo la tengo posted on November 13, 2012 at 07:50 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    #66 - Jack, I began to think, after I was corrected, that 'in spite of' certainly sounds as if I would do that in opposition to the other event where 'despite' seems less hostile.
    72. Bob Meta-Meusel posted on November 13, 2012 at 07:53 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    40, and knew a couple of people who actually pronounced it with an N occasionally as a joke back when I was in college.
    73. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle posted on November 13, 2012 at 07:59 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    #66 - Jack, I began to think, after I was corrected, that 'in spite of' certainly sounds as if I would do that in opposition to the other event where 'despite' seems less hostile.
    There are definitely flavorings like this throughout language, where correct usage sounds combative. "In spite of" can bring the taste of "spite" while "despite" weakens it a little. In this regard I'm all ears.
    74. Srul Itza posted on November 13, 2012 at 09:39 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Somewhere in the neighborhood of 50, grew up in the NE, both parents were English teachers, and dilemna is the only spelling I recall. A friend and I even used to (this would have been third grade or so) mock the silly (but, we thought, correct) spelling and in conversation pronounced it "duh-lem-NUH".


    57, grew up in NE, and clearly remember seeing it as dilemna growing up, and having it pronounced "dilem-nuh" in a jokey way, by me and others.
    75. Srul Itza posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:16 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0


    NE should be North East, not New England.
    76. RollingWave posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:31 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    GrammarThinkfactory.org

    77. puck posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:36 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Is this really that common? Is it a spelling error/mental typing thing, or do people actually think dominate is the right word? Sometimes my thoughts will cross and I'll type the wrong word, but I catch it immediately in a proofread.

    It seems to be cropping up more recently.
    78. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:38 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I imagine that people who think "dominate" is an adjective are actually thinking of the word "dominant", but don't realize there's an N before the T. People commonly pronounce it as if it was "dominat", because having those two Ns at the beginning and end of a single unaccented syllable is a bit awkward. So when you see "dominate" as an adjective the person thinks it has an unaccented final syllable, like "corporate" or "celibate".

    That's my theory anyway.
    79. SoSH U at work posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:46 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0


    That's my theory anyway.


    Mine too.
    80. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:47 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Oh right, I didn't see your post above! We have reached a great mind consensus.
    81. Dr. Vaux posted on November 14, 2012 at 01:39 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    32, grade school in the upper midwest, college in the northeast and mid-Atlantic, have done some professional writing and editing. I've never heard of "dilemna" before this discussion.
    82. tshipman  posted on November 14, 2012 at 02:07 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Not really on point, but sort of tangentially related:

    Anyone over the age of about 40, how do you pronounce this word: "often"

    This word is undergoing a shift in pronunciation. In 20 years, everyone will think you don't know how it's pronounced.
    83. rlc posted on November 14, 2012 at 02:26 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Anyone over 50 who has never heard of this spelling version? Raise your hand.


    50, educated in New Jersey public schools, had never noticed the spelling "dilemna" before this thread. Doesn't mean I haven't encountered it - for all I know I've been whole word reading past it all my life.
    84. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes posted on November 14, 2012 at 02:52 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Never heard of "dilemna" before today.
    Had a TA in law school who would emphasize the n in "damned" just to mess with people. That's the closest I've got, right there.
    85. Squash posted on November 14, 2012 at 02:54 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I prefer the word "conundrum", so this whole conversation is moot. However I always thought it was "dilemna", and have probably used both.
    86. Greg (U)K posted on November 14, 2012 at 04:39 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I prefer the word "conundrum", so this whole conversation is moot. However I always thought it was "dilemna", and have probably used both.

    Another word I learned to spell through Star Trek: The Next Generation.

    Re: Often, one thing I've learned from living in the UK is that us North Americans are really afraid of the letter "T". Quite often I soften my t's into d's, or in the case of "often" just get rid of it altogether.
    87. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:07 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    As a verb, loan is attested from 1540s, perhaps earlier, and formerly was current, but has now been supplanted in England by lend, though it survives in American English.


    From Online Etymology Dictionary

    I guess being an English colony is why I hate loan as a verb.

    I say both "offen" and "of-ten".
    88. SoSH U at work posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:07 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0


    I say both "offen" and "of-ten".


    I thought about it last night, and I realized I'm also bioften.

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